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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #105 on: May 29, 2008, 07:13:34 am »
[quote author=Wise Son link=topic=2477.msg56673#msg56673  Like his acknowledgement that Superman can't do things the way Batman does because being Superman puts different responsibilities on him. And lines like 'Everyone has to be able to trust me. I'm Superman.'
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That's the line that popped for me.  As the most powerful being on the planet, he knows people's comfort with him relies on that trust. That's never been acknowledged in a comic before, far as I know.

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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #106 on: May 29, 2008, 07:57:04 am »
And what was great was that, rather than just act hyper-cynical, Batman agreed with him, no argument. Compared to how they were written arguing in Infinite Crisis, McDuffie writes them as very different people who still have a believable friendship, without Clark judging Bats or Bats condescending to Clark.

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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #107 on: May 29, 2008, 11:05:26 am »
Loved this issue too...miss Benes stellar artwork.....McDuffie does not fail to write some of the most dynamic stories around with solid characterization, pacing, comedy and plotting.

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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2008, 03:58:25 pm »
i'm a fan of carlos, but he did make the trinity look a bit different.
but the rest of the book was good.
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i figure i could do without a Benes T&A shot for an issue or 2.

i have to agree that this was a strong issue.  I was left feeling satisfied. 
recently i've been reading a few books that ended and i was left feeling "huh?"

the rapport between the trinity was the best part of the book.
friends to the end they are.
i loved wonder woman's reaction when she found out about supe's kiss with vixen.
"she is a beautiful woman" was bat's reply.
hahahahhah... that dude is a pimp.



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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #109 on: June 10, 2008, 04:47:40 am »
"she is a beautiful woman" was bat's reply.
hahahahhah... that dude is a pimp.
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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #110 on: June 10, 2008, 05:56:06 am »
I liked the interacting between the Trinity, too.  It felt good to see Batman at ease and acting more human than he's been portrayed in the last 20 years. 

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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #111 on: June 10, 2008, 02:50:19 pm »
you mean he ISN'T a vampire?
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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #112 on: June 18, 2008, 02:19:58 pm »
Benes is back and McDuffie is in high form as usual.....stellar work from both and we even get some guest appearances from Firestorm, Zantanna and Bronze Tiger.  It just doesn't get any better than this......

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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #113 on: June 18, 2008, 06:06:02 pm »
Benes is back and McDuffie is in high form as usual.....stellar work from both and we even get some guest appearances from Firestorm, Zantanna and Bronze Tiger.  It just doesn't get any better than this......

Though after seeing the art work in this week's book, I am confused with how Vixen can do anything without falling out of her top.  Just look at the scenes with the Bronze Tiger  ;D

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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2008, 07:53:50 am »
Though after seeing the art work in this week's book, I am confused with how Vixen can do anything without falling out of her top.  Just look at the scenes with the Bronze Tiger  ;D
mmm... Mari..  :-*

...so Tornado's real name is... John Smith? neat.. oh, and Kathy's his wife? ("you can't get porn?") heh.. so is he like the Vision where he has all the "real" parts? all the red is just an outfit, not his real skin?

..who is the bronze tiger? what are his powers? why does he apparently wear a silly tiger-head mask?

....uh.. just how is anybody going to help Vixen get her real powers back and cancel the siphoning? and now that she's off the team, who's going to find the time to help?

..I wonder how Roy and Kendra would react if they knew they were being watched.. but I hope they don't break up..

..glad to see Steel involved with the team again-- but I want to see him in costume..

-- i'm not as glad to see Amazo-- what happened that he was disembodied the last time?

...I want to see more groups of villains again, soon..
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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #115 on: June 19, 2008, 08:35:43 am »
@ Hypestyle re: who is the Bronze Tiger:

Bronze Tiger (Ben Turner) is a martial artist who first appeared in Dragon's Fists, a novel by Dennis O'Neil and Jim Berry, starring Richard Dragon. His first DC Comics appearance was in Richard Dragon, Kung Fu Fighter.

The Bronze Tiger possesses no metahuman powers, but is a superb martial artist. Many consider him one of the top 10 martial artists in the DC Universe, if not in the top 5. He has bested such great martial artists as Batman before. Turner defeated Batman in Detective Comics #485 (1979), a side result of which was the death of Kathy Kane. He would face Batman again shortly after. Even though Batman had taken every possible precaution for the rematch, neither fighter was able to gain an advantage, and the fight only ended when one of the League members shot Batman with a poisoned dart.

Ben Turner comes from an upper middle class black neighborhood in Central City. When he was only 10 years old, he saw a burglar attacking his parents, and he proceeded to murder the man with a kitchen knife. In an effort to control the rage inside him, Turner turns to martial arts (and eventually, crime). After some time, Turner decides to travel to the far East in order to finally come to terms with his demons[1]. There, he meets the O-Sensei, and studies under him, together with later recruit Richard Dragon. The meeting between Turner and Dragon serves as the start of the series Richard Dragon, Kung Fu Fighter. Some time after they are approached by Barney Ling, from the organization known as G.O.O.D. (Global Organization of Organized Defense), and their (reluctant) working for Ling served as the basis for the Kung Fu Fighter series.

A flashback in DC Comics Presents #39 (1981) shows Richard Dragon discovering that Turner has been brainwashed into becoming the Bronze Tiger by Prof. Ojo, then used by Barney Ling (who turns out to be a traitor). Dragon and Turner prove to be equals in the fight, which only ends when Ling is accidentally knocked out a window.

Later, in Suicide Squad #38, Turner's further career is shown, wherein he and Dragon are hired by King Faraday to work for the CBI (Central Bureau of Intelligence). If this was meant as a retcon or an addition to their history is not made clear. Assigned to take down the League of Assassins, Dragon and Turner are discovered by the League, who kill Turner's fianceƩ, Myoshi, and proceeded to brainwash Turner. Turner was rid of his demons by channeling them into the identity of the Bronze Tiger, a masked assassin working for the League[1].

During this time, he also trains the assassin David Cain's daughter, Cassandra, together with other members of the League. As the Bronze Tiger, Turner developed a fearsome reputation in the world, his identity remaining a secret to everyone but the League.

As the Bronze Tiger, Ben was feared around the world, and the Sensei was smart enough to ensure that Ben hardly ever took off the mask, sending him on a new mission as soon as he finished another. For a time, his identity was secret and he became one of the most wanted criminals, the Bronze Tiger being a professional assassin, killing on three continents.

The Bronze Tiger is eventually sent to murder Kathy Kane (the superheroine Batwoman), a friend of Batman. While fighting Batman (and defeating him), another assassin kills Kane [2]. After Crisis on Infinite Earths (known as post-Crisis) it was determined that Kathy Kane had never become Batwoman, and had merely been a friend of Batman's. Another character named Kathy Kane became Batwoman in 2006, and seems to be a completely different character. There are currently no indications that the death of the "original" Kathy will be addressed. Since the Kathy killed by the League never became Batwoman post-Crisis, it currently seems that their shared name should just be considered a coincidence.

Learning of Bronze Tiger's true identity, King Faraday set up a rescue squad of Rick Flag and Nightshade. They retrieved the Tiger, and he was deprogrammed by Amanda Waller, who would later run the Suicide Squad.

Waller later recruits Turner for the Suicide Squad, setting him up to become the team's leader, but he ends up the team's second-in-command under Rick Flag. On the team's first mission, the Tiger faces Ravan, who he brutally cripples, but refuses to kill. Turner develops a relationship with Vixen, while Flo Crawley, a part of the Squad's support crew, nurses a crush for him. Meeting Ravan again later, Turner convinces him to join the Squad, and the two become an effective fighting duo.

As the Suicide Squad series was mostly populated by villains, the Tiger was one of the Squad's 'good' members, meant to balance out the cast of characters. He often enforces Waller's rules, such as forcing various Squad members to wear devices designed to force good behavior.

The almost corrupting nature of the Squad eventually leads to Rick Flag's departure from the Squad and seeming death in a nuclear explosion. Turner becomes the leader of the team, in which he excels, often disobeying direct orders to save the lives of his men (even if they were "expendable"). The Squad member Duchess, in reality the Apokilptian soldier Lashina, betrays the team and takes many, including Flo, home to Apokolips. Flo does not survive the kidnapping.

In Suicide Squad #38, Turner is confronted for his actions by his superiors, and in the ensuing meeting, Turner's mind snaps. He flees, traveling back to the East (leaving Vixen in the process), where he spends some time as a janissary. Shortly afterwards, the Suicide Squad is disbanded and Amanda Waller is sent to jail.

Eventually, after a year, Amanda Waller reforms the Squad and again recruits Turner. In the missing year, Turner had become a deeply troubled man, who distances himself from Vixen and was constantly egging on Ravan to confront him. In one mission shortly after the team had reformed, Vixen is hurt, and this unlocks Turner's feelings for her once more. He mostly returns to his old state of mind. Vixen laters leaves the team, and she and Turner part on good terms.

In the team's last mission, the Squad struggles to free a small island nation from the tyranny of its seemingly immortal ruler. The team must pass through a forest known for causing hallucinations. While the others experience their own mind-trips, Bronze Tiger faces himself. Defeating himself, and there by excorsizing his demons, Turner once again becomes a complete person. The tyrant is later defeated by Waller.[3].

Shortly after leaving the Squad, Turner is part of the Knightquest: The Search story arc in the Batman books, which covered Bruce Wayne's search for Jack Drake (father of Tim Drake, the most recent Robin) and Shondra Kinsolving, who had been kidnapped. He teams up with Green Arrow and Gypsy, a member of the short lived Justice League Task Force. Gypsy becomes romantically involved with Tiger. He later becomes her mentor in the martial arts.

The Bronze Tiger re-appears in the (2004) Richard Dragon title alongside Dragon, written by Chuck Dixon. Dixon introduced several retcons into the series, including the notion that Turner was actually Dragon's teacher, and not the O-Sensei. These retcons were not referred to anywhere else, and the series has mostly been disregarded.

In a story arc of the Batgirl title in 2005, Cassandra Cain begins a search for her birth mother, who she believes is Lady Shiva. She tracks down Turner in Detroit, where he has opened the "Tiger Dojo". Both are able to come to terms with Turner's involvement in Cassandra's training, and he expresses his pride at her becoming a hero.


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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #116 on: June 19, 2008, 10:17:21 am »
thanx, stan--

so now that I know, I hope we'll see more of this guy...
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« Reply #117 on: June 19, 2008, 12:02:57 pm »
so now that I know, I hope we'll see more of this guy...

He was in the recently completed Suicide Squad mini.
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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #118 on: June 19, 2008, 05:04:59 pm »
thanx, stan--

so now that I know, I hope we'll see more of this guy...

go buy the entire original suicide squad series....you can probably find it all in the quarter bins.  THen follow it up with the recent mini.  You'll be glad you did!

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Re: McDuffie's JLA Thread.
« Reply #119 on: June 19, 2008, 06:11:52 pm »
@ Hypestyle....re: Amazo and what happend that he was disembodied the last time?

Amazo was built by the insane super-scientist Professor Ivo to battle the Justice League of America. Ivo wished to demonstrate his ingenuity while ridding the world of its premier superhero team. It was originally said that Amazo was created using "Appelaxian" technology. In its origins, Ivo learned he would need biological templates for both the physiology and for the mind of Amazo, and thus he killed a prize volleyball player and his own father to obtain them.

Amazo was originally built to imitate the powers of the original JLA members: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash, the Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman. However, the lineup of the JLA's founding roster has been changed via retcons, and it is currently uncertain how this changes Amazo's origin. Later versions of the robot appeared with differing abilities depending on which heroes he battled, and even later versions were able to evolve abilities simply by encountering heroes. One version was able to mimic the powers of any current JLA member, and to add new powers as new members appeared. This version was beaten when Superman officially disbanded the team; with no JLA to mimic, Amazo was rendered powerless.

A stripped down version of Amazo was recently destroyed in Gotham City. Lacking a power ring and lasso, this robot had the abilities of at least Superman, Flash and Aquaman. Batman and Nightwing managed to partially disable it- an explosive Batarang damaged the android's leg (preventing him from using Flash's speed), two small needles punctured its inner-ears, destroying its internal gyroscope (thus rendering its flying powers useless), and plastic explosive destroyed Amazo's eyes when it attempted to use heat vision- and used a missile launched from the Batmobile to finish the job. Another Amazo appeared as part of the Secret Society of Super Villains, but this Amazo had his head ripped from his shoulders by Black Adam (to get revenge for imprisoning him) and was thus destroyed.

It has not been established whether or not there is one Amazo or many. The incident with Batman and Nightwing suggests that there are multiple Amazos, each one incorporating different powers (Although Amazo typically duplicates the powers of the five original JLA members in his 'default' form). This would also account for all of the different times the android has been destroyed.

Sometime before the One Year Later gap Professor Ivo took samples from the still active body of Amazo, weakening him with a grievous wound, and crossing such material with human eggs and DNA he built a cyborg son from him. After a period of oblivious gestation in which the boy lived the life of Frank Halloran, young college student, Amazo sought him to reveal his nature and birthright of "Kid Amazo", trying to pit him against the Justice League.

Professor Ivo has recently turned up again on the prowl for the body of Red Tornado, in the wake of 52. Not only did he find the body, he's managed to graft Amazo's programming into its CPU (the Tornado body is usually guided by a human mind, depending on the nature of the Tornado Champion). A JLA task force, consisting of Hal Jordan, Black Canary, and Roy Harper battled an army of Tornado androids before discovering that the Amazo/Tornado body was meant to house the will of Solomon Grundy.

Grundy sends the Amazo/Tornado hybrid to the home of the Tornado where he is blasted by the Tornado's wife with Apokoliptian technology. Amazo thinks he is the Red Tornado and doesn't understand why his wife would attack him. The Justice League is then sent to stop him. They begin to dismantle him, though he succeeds in countering their attempts. Harper succeeds in disrupting the processing powers by shooting him with an arrow in the back, where Vixen's Tantu Totem is stored. Vixen then cuts Amazo in half by divebombing into him.

It has been suggested in the Identity Crisis series and in a current issue of Batman that there are more than one Amazo.

On the cover of Justice League of America #13 (Vol.2), it shows Amazo as a member of the new Injustice League, though this was not corroborated by the story