Author Topic: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate  (Read 37713 times)

Offline DamonO

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 596
    • View Profile
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #600 on: October 25, 2008, 09:53:51 PM »
Quote
Don't be so dense, Michael.  Reagan of course didn't shoot anyone himself, but he very clearly and seriously stated that the government should treat anyone speaking out against the war as traitors and that they should be executed.  Shot dead.  He wasn't speaking figuratively.

Quote
Not speaking figuratively? Nonsense.

Let me ask you a simple question:  Did you actually see or hear Michael Reagan make that comment like I did?  Did you see the seriousness on his face or hear the inflection in his voice?  Or are you just pulling an assumption out of your ass?  We both already know the answer to that one.

Quote
And while you make a joke about domestic terrorism, it is no laughing matter. Do you have no recollection of September 11, 2001?

Wire taps are wholly appropriate and the courts have interposed guidelines on all the matter's you've mentioned, as is appropriate under our system of checks and balances.  HOWEVER, impostion of the so-called "Fairness Doctrine," which WILL take place if Congress gets a super-majority of Democrats, will be used to silence political speech that they disagree with.  If you don't believe me ... just watch.  Uberspeaker Pelosi has expressed her intention to pursue this matter.


So the bottom line is this:  You have no problem with giving the government the right to declare you an enemy combatant without one shred of proof, throwing you in prison indefinitely without charging you with a single crime, taking away your write to legal council.   There are no longer checks and balances on government wiretapping when they got the FISA law overturned.  In fact, you have no problem with the government taking away all of our rights, as long as its done in the name of keeping you safe.  But the very idea of the government reinstating a rule that might result in diverse opinions being on the airwaves in addition to the ones you support scare you shytless.  Interesting.

I'll go ahead and explain this just in case there's someone reading this messageboard that might mistakenly think you actually know what you're talking about.  The airwaves belong to the public -- the ENTIRE public, not just rightwing goosesteppers.  In order to broadcast on public airwaves, broadcasters have to apply for a license from the government.  This license requires that potential broadcasters agree to air programming in the public interest.  The Fairness Doctrine required broadcasters to air diverse opinions in order to insure that all segments of the public were being served instead of just one narrow group.  Back in the 1970s, when conservatives would hear someone giving an opinion on air that they didn't agree with, they used the Fairness Doctrine to pressure the broadcaster of that opinion to give them equal time to express their opposing views.

Not long after AM radio began dying out with the advent of FM, Rush Limbaugh crawled out from whatever sewer he was spawn in, and his show began to catch on with mouth-breathers across the country.  Like most cockroaches, it wasn't long after that conservative radio talkers began to multiply and revive the AM format.  That's why 99% of AM radio is basically the same talking points being regurgitated by thousands of these local and nationally syndicated idiots across the country.

Now, the chances of the Fairness Doctrine being reinstated are slim and none.  That of course doesn't prevent the paranoid and delusional from being afraid of it coming back though.  And even if it did, it doesn't mean that Limbaugh and his hellspawn would be kicked off the air.  It would mean that those same stations that broadcast them would at some point during their broadcast day have to give equal time to people with opposing views, because, as we mentioned before, the public whom the broadcasters are required to serve is comprised of people who have more than one viewpoint.

So when Michael says that reinstating the Fairness Doctrine would make the government force rightwing talkers off the air, that simply is not true. All it would mean is that instead of being able to masturbate to conservative bullsh!t on the radio 24/7, Michael would only be able to masturbate to it 12/3.5, because for the remaining hours and days other views would be presented.

And that's one to grow on.

« Last Edit: October 25, 2008, 10:03:16 PM by DamonO »

michaelintp

  • Guest
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #601 on: October 26, 2008, 12:17:04 AM »
Just to avoid the creation of any myths here, Rush Limbaugh's success did not prompt elimination of the "fairness doctrine."  At the time the "fairness doctrine" was elimined in 1987, Limbaugh had a local show in Sacramento, California.  The fairness doctrine was eliminated as it was determined to be an unjustified restriction of free speech.  It was only later, in 1988, that Limbaugh's show moved to NY and took off. 

Unlike in the era when the "Fairness Doctrine" did apply, when there were very limited broadcast media options, today there are myriad options for the public to obtain information (cable, satellite, internet, etc. with hundreds of stations and thousands of websites).  There is no bona fide purpose for its imposition today.

Under this regime, at the discretion of the government enforcement officials, radio stations would have their political speech monitored for content, and fined, or have their licenses suspended or revoked, if they do not comply with government monitors' demands regarding the content of the political speech expressed.  To significantly burden those stations that continue to broadcast this material, with some likely abandoning the talk radio format altogether as a result. 

The clear immediate purpose is to substantially curtail and/or silence conservative political voices on AM Talk Radio that Pelosi and her ilk disagree with, after free market efforts to compete with Left/Liberal programming proved unsuccessful or only mildly successful. 

The purpose, in short, is censorship.

To get a real picture of the consequences of this totalitarian interference with political speech, forum members should read the article that I cited above, that prompted this discussion. Similar principles could apply to any radio or TV outlet, including Pacifica Radio, NPR, and any number of other outlets. What constitues fairness will turn on the ideological bias of the government monitors. 
« Last Edit: October 26, 2008, 09:21:32 AM by michaelintp »

Offline Curtis Metcalf

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 3770
  • One never knows, do one?
    • View Profile
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #602 on: October 26, 2008, 06:19:07 AM »
Gee ... in light of this ... it is Obvious Obama is going to win the election.  In light of that, really, y'all can just stay home on election day, pop a few beers and watch the returns on TV; your vote won't make a difference anyway.   ;) ;D

Seek first to understand, then to be understood.

Offline Mastrmynd

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 7650
  • Check my new site www.top20takeover.VVCRadio.com
    • View Profile
    • http://arvellpoe.atspace.com/
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #603 on: October 26, 2008, 07:17:25 AM »
thanks for that.
hahhaha...

i luv this comic.


Listen to my entertaining radio show, "The Takeover: Top 20 Countdown" at www.top20takeover.VVCRadio.com.

Right on to the real and death to the fakers!  Peace out!

michaelintp

  • Guest
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #604 on: October 26, 2008, 09:05:07 AM »
Well, Curtis, I'm glad someone noticed my joke too.    ;)

Yeh, funny and effective cartoon.

So everyone, don't be fooled by misinformation ...

Get out and vote on November 7th!

 ;D

michaelintp

  • Guest
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #605 on: November 04, 2008, 06:46:20 AM »
Since this thread started as a Palin thread, figured this has to be posted.  It is worth noting, in terms of media bias, that the Washington Post, as the partisan organ of the Democratic Party, buried this story on page A-4.  In contrast, it previously featured condemnations of Palin on its front page (of course).

Thus, I'm instead citing the New York Times:

Report Backs Palin in Firing of Commissioner
The New York Times
November 4, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/us/politics/04palin.html?bl&ex=1225947600&en=619f33f7ae064dcc&ei=5087%0A


ANCHORAGE — A report released on Monday by a state board found that Gov. Sarah Palin did not apply improper pressure to try to dismiss a state trooper who was her former brother-in-law and did not violate state ethics laws in the firing of her public safety commissioner.

...

The personnel board’s report, based on an investigation led by an independent counsel, Timothy J. Petumenos, concluded that there was no evidence to prove Ms. Palin or any state employee had acted improperly in Mr. Monegan’s dismissal.

...

Mr. Petumenos said the governor and other state employees had testified firmly that several conversations Mr. Monegan described had not happened. No witnesses confirmed Mr. Monegan’s account of the discussions, he said.

“They didn’t happen at all,” Mr. Petumenos said.

Offline Catch22

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 3083
  • You gots to have vision, Willie!
    • View Profile
    • PapiCatch22's Urban Suite
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #606 on: November 04, 2008, 07:38:59 AM »
If I were a cynical man, I'd roll my eyes  ::) and mention that the Board that cleared her was appointed by the Governor and will report back to the Governor when she gets back to Alaska.  If I were a cynical man.  Anywho...it still doesn't explain why the "First Dude" is having meetings in her office with high ranking government officials.  If you put lipstick on a pig...hey...it's still bacon.

Offline karaszero

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 2025
    • View Profile
    • karaszero
Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #607 on: November 04, 2008, 09:11:22 AM »
When did the post become a "partisan organ of the Democratic Party"? once they decided to endorse Obama? I thought you rose above such pettiness