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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2008, 08:04:22 AM »
LMAO you are disturbed by condescending arrogance?

Yes, particularly when it is race-based or gender-based.

McSame and palin would end a womans right to choose to have an abortion (as if you didn't know).


They would not because they cannot. Sure, they oppose abortion, for legitimate reasons. Both sides of this issue have legitimate arguments. But abortion would not be nationally banned as a result of a reversal of Roe v. Wade.  A reversal of this opinion is what might happen were McCain to be elected and were he to appoint Justices to the Supreme Court who actually base their decisions on the language of the Constitution and the intent of those who drafted it and ratified it (and its amendments).

Roe v. Wade is a constitutionally specious decision. The legal result of overturning Roe v. Wade would be to return the issue of the regulation of abortion to the states.  Some states would impose restrictions, others would not.  As a legal matter that is what would happen were Roe v. Wade reversed.  Many people don't understand this.  Others intentionally distort the results of a Roe v. Wade reversal.

Collateral damage and exceptable losses are both words that are used to define the less fortunate.


"Collateral damage" and "exceptional losses" are sanitized terms to describe the killing and maiming of civilians in war.  Such hygienic euphemisms are used precisely because they are sanitized of any real descriptive power.  A woman's "right to chose" was a phrase invented for precisely the same reason.  More accurate descriptive phrases would be "a woman's right to abort" or (many would say) "a woman's 'right' to kill her unborn child."

last of all you don't shape or define the discussions on the board you are no different than anyone else here you give your opinion and that's it

Expressing my opinion is precisely what I did do.  I understand you do not share that opinion, which is your right.

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2008, 08:10:21 AM »
The persistence of racism and sexism doesn't make you immune to criticism, whether you are Barack Obama, Clarence Thomas, Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin.

But conservative African-Americans and women are targeted by many on the Left for criticism precisely because of their race and/or gender.  This is wrong.

The only people critical of people like Clarence Thomas or Sarah Palin are those on the Left, who demand that any African-American or woman be subjugated to a Leftist ideological litmus test because of their race and or gender.  This is racism and sexism, pure and simple.

The purpose of affirmative action is to remedy past discrimination and to foster a respect for diversity.  This means respecting every man and woman as independently thinking human beings ... without being subjected to "special" criticism or condemnation because of his or her race or gender.  Until these forms of racism and sexism are eliminated, America will never be truly free of these evils.
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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2008, 09:31:53 AM »

Gov.  Palin's executive experience, intelligence, and integrity must be superior to Condi Rice, Kay Hutchinson, Carly Fiorina, Joe Lieberman, and Hillary Clinton for McCain to make this choice.

I expect her to be spectacular through the next two months.

But if he made any of those choices people would say they were too close to Bush, too old, to close to the business world, a turn coat for turning on Dems, and an actual Dem who would never accept.  Nobody on that list would registrar as a win for McCain.

No matter who he had chosen there'd be some kind of criticism, so for one who claims he puts country first, the choice would be the individual who'd be best qualified from the job of those available.  Do even you guys on the right honestly believe that Sarah Palin was the best choice McCain could've made?

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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2008, 09:57:44 AM »
The persistence of racism and sexism doesn't make you immune to criticism, whether you are Barack Obama, Clarence Thomas, Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin.

But conservative African-Americans and women are targeted by many on the Left for criticism precisely because of their race and/or gender.  This is wrong.

Clarence Thomas was criticised because of his hypocracy and opportunism. Wanting an end to the same programs and policies that got you where you are is hypocritical.

Alan Keyes would be manning a sandwich board somewhere if he wasn't a Republican. The only reason he got on the national stage at all is that Republicans had to have at least some prominent Black Republican to point to, pre-Colin Powell and Condi.

Which brings me to the observation that there is a lot of advantage that there is a lot of hay to be made by being the Repub's latest Black Conservative. Hell, the very act of being a Black Conservative probably gets you 2/3rds of the way to a book deal by itself(that's not to imply a lack of sincerity on anybody's part, just stating a fact of the marketplace).

When you as a Black person loudly and vocally deny certain aspects of our shared  personal experience you should be and will be called on it by the community at large.  Particularly if that denial is strategically benefical on a personal level.

As for Ms. Palin, I just finished watching her on WS&JR. She seems pleasant and down to earth(The interview was before she got the veep nod-she might not have seen it coming either). She's really big on drilling in Alaska, 'natch. Not as big on renewable though she DID mention them. This always cracks me up as we've had working electric cars for over a decade and Geothermal(see Iceland), Wind and Solar are all proven technologies-didn't we do this dance in the 70's(I am cursed with a long memory)?

She said "as a Mpm" about five times during her interview. Look for "As a Mom" to be her version of "I was imprisoned by the Cong for five years."

If we could find a bi-racial Soccer mom who was captured by the Cong while serving in the Army we'd really have something. ;D

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2008, 10:00:44 AM »
In terms of executive experience and her experience on domestic issues, including energy policy and issues of fiscal responsibility (ending pork barrel spending and going after bribe-takers of all political parties), Sarah Palin's experience is good.  See the article I quote, above, with special focus on the matters I highlighted.

Like Barack Obama, the Democrat's Presidential candidate, she does not have a strong foreign policy background. However, she'll have a fine mentor in John McCain.

Recall that not since JFK has a President come from the Senate.  Many of our presidents were governors before ascending to the Presidency. 

But in answer to the question, I would have reservations if Palin were on the top of the Republican ticket.  She is not.  Thus I'm counting on her ability to pick up foreign policy experience on the job as VP.  Also, as to Obama, my reservation regarding him is not just that he lacks foreign policy experience, but that he's generally revealed his leftish biases whenever he has first spoken on foreign policy issues (before later retracting what he first said, or "correcting" himself).

As I've said before, I don't think anyone should vote for Barack Obama just because he is black, or for McCain/Palin just because Palin is a woman.  However, all things being equal, I strongly support the idea of an African-American President or a woman as President and/or Vice-President. Because of what the election of such a person does say about our country today.  In this respect, this election will be groundbreaking, no matter how you slice it.  And that makes me happy.
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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2008, 10:38:38 AM »
It's exceptable losses not exceptional losses and it is only sanitized for the faint of heart citizens who really don't want to know the horrors of war either personally or by proxy. A womans' right to choose has to do with her body, what she wants to happen, not what is an accepted phrase used by pro lifers.   

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2008, 10:53:13 AM »
It's exceptable losses not exceptional losses and it is only sanitized for the faint of heart citizens who really don't want to know the horrors of war either personally or by proxy. A womans' right to choose has to do with her body, what she wants to happen, not what is an accepted phrase used by pro lifers.   

Oh, sorry for misunderstanding you.  You wrote "exceptable" losses, so I thought you were referring to "exceptional losses."  I now see that what you meant was "acceptable" losses.  Anyway, I believe my point still holds true.  The pro-Abortion forces needed to find some sanitized label to use that sounded more acceptable to the general public.  That's what they did.

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2008, 10:55:05 AM »
McCain is desperate. This is a last ditch dive to prove he;s relevant. he;s not. He's not a maverick" no matter how many tmes he and his proxies say so. He's baked. And, frankly, his time as a POW is not a job qualification or a sign of his soldeiring abilities pr even toughness. Teenagers in Sudan survive worse with no training or help whatsoever.

It's still Obama's election to lose. McCain and his new "I'm still in it" beard are not in the discussion. She's nice ot look at. So what. She's female. Really? So that means she's a proxy for disgruntled Hillary supporters (racist idiots if they vote for a republican who means to tear down everything they stand for instead of the black candidate who shares their goals and that's the truth of that story. RACISTS.) The subtle implication here is that all women are interchangeable. Not a a good message to send to the ladies, folks. They tend to frown on that sort of thing in my experience.

The Reb positions, as usual, are hackneyed retreads of the same old screw-the-little-guy-feed-the-rich crap that Reagan spewed. Where's that trickle down, #$%holes? Nowhere, that's where. But you keep pretending that's what you're selling so racists and sexists and morons who think the earth was created in six days FOR REALS can pretend they're voting their morality instead of their spleen.

Liars. And anyone who votes for them who doesn't clear 5 mil a year, minimum, is a moron. That's right. I said it. Only a moron puts the loaded gun into the hand of the person trying to kill them and says "Hey, I trust you. Shoot." And that goes double for minority, gay and female republican supporters. *&)&^ing morons. Use your #$%! damned brains for five seconds.

"Moral issues." Give me a *&$ing break.


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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2008, 11:33:56 AM »
"Redjack", I've missed you.   ;)

Stirring up the ol' pot as usual. 

Nice to see we can finally agree on one point:

She's nice to look at.

Hahahaha!  ;D

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2008, 01:12:17 PM »
The persistence of racism and sexism doesn't make you immune to criticism, whether you are Barack Obama, Clarence Thomas, Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin.
But conservative African-Americans and women are targeted by many on the Left for criticism precisely because of their race and/or gender. 

Or because their critics think they're wrong. Sure, there is the occasional "he/she out to know better" sentiment. But plenty of people just plain disagree. Following your line of argument to its logical absurdity would inoculate conservative African-Americans and women from criticism from other African-Americans and women.

The only people critical of people like Clarence Thomas or Sarah Palin are those on the Left, who demand that any African-American or woman be subjugated to a Leftist ideological litmus test because of their race and or gender. 
Wow, not one but two sweeping generalizations in one sentence. According to you:
1. No one in the middle or the right is ever critical of Clarence Thomas or Sarah Palin.
2. The only reason their critics don't like them is they don't conform to a Leftist litmus test for black people and women.

Both of these assertions seem patently false to me.
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2008, 02:08:20 PM »
Conceded, Curtis, I was making generalizations. 

Taking that into account, I still believe it to be valid as generalizations go.  Conservatives, by in large, highly respect Justice Thomas.  And given the reaction from the Republican conservative base, it is fair to say that many if not most seem to be thrilled with the selection of Gov. Palin.  I heard that this weekend $4 million flowed into the McCain Campaign treasury, and McCain commented that given this, he wishes he had announced her selection a month ago.

Of course no public figure should be immune from criticism.  Substantive criticism.  What I don't like, what I object to, is the tenor of some of the criticism which goes beyond the substance of the public figure's positions on issues to name calling and the like, really disparaging characterizations (such as "Uncle Tom" etc.) and dismissive comments that are keyed to the person's race and/or gender (based on the critic's view of what that person's views "should" be based on that person's race or gender).  This kind of behavior is typical of the Left.

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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2008, 03:34:34 PM »
Setting aside the fact that Stowe intended Uncle Tom to be an heroic figure, not a suck up, let's dissect this.

The Republican party, for the better part of the last fifty years, at least, has worked tirelessly to gut the powers of the Constitution, inhibit the personal freedoms of American Citizens, promote to the average person's detriment the military industrial complex and big business on the whole. They have blocked legislation meant to codify the supposed equality that the Constitution doesn't quite guarantee. they have gutted the public school system, wrecked the economy for everyone except the rich and generally behaved in the sleaziest most underhanded manner when it comes to promoting the "values" they supposedly champion.

When a person who is a member of a group who gets the sh*t en of the stick, intentionally, from the main group decides to throw in his or her lot with that main in order to promote themselves, they open themselves up for justifiable criticism. Clarence Thomas, a beneficiary of Affirmative Action, is against it. he has allied himself with the party that let new orleans drown, promotes the death penalty (something that lands on minorities disproportionately to whites), has a questionable history vis a vis sexual Harassment and was appointed to the highest judicial seat in the nation over stacks of other more qualified applicants.

Since joining the court he has functioned as a rubber stamp for the nakedly evil Atonin Scalia, someone whose cord I can't WAIT for Fate to cut, and has generally fulfilled the incredibly low expectations and predictions of pretty much everyone who told the truth about him at the get go. His appointment was a political move meant to blunt the Dems ability to go after him by short-circuiting their "rainbow coalition" sensibilities and it worked.

That piece of crap had the nerve to liken his treatment in his confirmation to a lynching. Really? So what Bork got was, what, a baby shower? A lynching. Really.

He's a waste of skin and every "uncle tom" or "house nigger" he gets is absolutely deserved. That is his sole function, he accepted it going in and he's fulfilling it admirably. He's the kind of man who, if he was complected properly, would pass for white and never look back. And WE know it. He stinks of it.

So spare me the defense of a good man with different ideas pose. Thomas isn't a good man and he has no ideas that don't come from someone else. He's, at absolute best, an empty suit, a puppet for Scalia. That's the absolute best he is.

And, in large measure, I extend a good portion of this sort of sentiment towards blacks and other minorities who join the Republican party. If you're not fabulously wealthy, they are not doing ANYTHING to help you. They are your enemy. They say as much whenever one of them is running for something. They JOKE about it at fundraisers. So, if you join them, you're sucking the ass of someone who tells nigger jokes the second you leave the room. Bravo, geniuses. Well done.

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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2008, 04:10:25 PM »
Well Redjack ... while some folks on the board will certainly disagree with me ... I think you're kinda proving my point.  At a minimum, you've certainly gone further than Reginald Hudlin ... in that you damn all black Republicans with extreme vitriol.

But then again ... you condemn all Republicans.  Haha.  So at least you are consistent.  ;)

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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2008, 04:12:11 PM »
I later realized the misspelling but I was too busy to correct the error, your point in regards to acceptable losses is still off base the term applies to all life lost during a war not just civilian life. Anytime ground troops are utilized in combat there is a guarenteed loss of life that was taken into account when the battle plans were drawn up

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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2008, 04:20:11 PM »
Yes, K, I understand that.  Anyway, I was just citing the phrase "collateral damange" as an example of newspeak (a la Orwell's 1984).