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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2008, 04:21:55 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2008, 04:22:00 PM »
I am sensitive about high profile AA candidates who are obviously marginally competent because they are used as examples of why AA doesn't work.  Clarence Thomas and Sarah Palin are each examples of that. 

See also: Berry, Halle

Roe v. Wade is a constitutionally specious decision. The legal result of overturning Roe v. Wade would be to return the issue of the regulation of abortion to the states.  Some states would impose restrictions, others would not.

OH! WELL, IN THAT CASE...
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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2008, 04:23:16 PM »
hello Jenn!

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2008, 04:50:25 PM »
Of course no public figure should be immune from criticism.  Substantive criticism.  What I don't like, what I object to, is the tenor of some of the criticism which goes beyond the substance of the public figure's positions on issues to name calling and the like, really disparaging characterizations (such as "Uncle Tom" etc.) and dismissive comments that are keyed to the person's race and/or gender (based on the critic's view of what that person's views "should" be based on that person's race or gender).  This kind of behavior is typical of the Left.

You mean like when Rush Limbaugh refers to Obama as "Barack, the Magic Negro?"

Or maybe like when Tucker Carlson said that everytime he hears Hillary speak he has involuntary urge to cross his legs?

Please don't make me dig up quotes from the likes of Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and countless conservative Republican commentators disparaging people based on their race or gender.  The mountain of racist and sexist invective spewed on the right side of the political spectrum is so high that Kilimanjaro pales in comparison.

You're claiming the moral high ground while standing at the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2008, 04:55:35 PM »
Didn't Palin leave the town she was mayor of 20 million dollars in debt at the end of her tenure?

To the issue of affirmative action, the hypocrisy is so rampant that it disgusts me at this point. WHITE WOMEN ARE THE GREATEST BENEFICIARIES OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. Let me say it again, WHITE WOMEN ARE THE GREATEST BENEFICIARIES OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

Lets see all those conservative pundits/idiots like Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck lament the rise of affirmative action citing the reality of White females using it as a means of ascension; while at the same time pursuing the Hillary vote.

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2008, 05:06:54 PM »
Well Redjack ... while some folks on the board will certainly disagree with me ... I think you're kinda proving my point.  At a minimum, you've certainly gone further than Reginald Hudlin ... in that you damn all black Republicans with extreme vitriol.

But then again ... you condemn all Republicans.  Haha.  So at least you are consistent.  ;)

I don't hate republicans. Most of them are just misguided. The ones that aren't, the ones at the top of the party who are, not uncoincidentally, fabulously wealthy, are, it is consistently revealed, the scum of the earth. They legislate against homosexuals and then are caught in homosexual trysts; they attempt to regulate social mores while cheating on their taxes, spouses, bar exams etc.; they thump the bible for the votes of the credulous but engage in hedonistc pursuits that would make the Romans blush;  they claim to be against illegal immigration while having staffs or supporting industries composed of them.

All politicians lie, pretty much constantly, but you have to look at what the lies are attempting to conceal and what buttons they're attempting to push in their constituents.

The Republicans want a weak, ignorant, possibly illiterate, apathetic public that distrusts its government and looks on its neighbors with suspicion, genderism and racism. They want it because it makes us easier to control which is the point. It's not even subtle. That so many people who shouldn't, logically, fall for that crap manage to do so is a testament to the skill of the Republican division machine.

What bugs me most is that people on the ground of all ethnicities find ways to buy into their ridiculous propaganda DESPITE ample video evidence that puts the lie to EVERY statement they make claiming to have normal folks' interests at heart.

It's mind-boggling that there are any blue collar, black, gay or female republicans because those are the specific groups who are, invariably, screwed by the policies of the party when it is in power. How f*cking stupid to you have to be to lick and kiss the hand that punches you in the throat over and over and over again?

Very.
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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2008, 05:27:19 PM »
Well Redjack ... while some folks on the board will certainly disagree with me ... I think you're kinda proving my point.  At a minimum, you've certainly gone further than Reginald Hudlin ... in that you damn all black Republicans with extreme vitriol.

But then again ... you condemn all Republicans.  Haha.  So at least you are consistent.  ;)

I don't hate republicans. Most of them are just misguided. The ones that aren't, the ones at the top of the party who are, not uncoincidentally, fabulously wealthy, are, it is consistently revealed, the scum of the earth. They legislate against homosexuals and then are caught in homosexual trysts, they attempt to regulate social mores while cheating on their taxes, spouses, bar exams etc. They thump the bible for the votes of the credulous but engage in hedonistc pursuits that would make the Romans blush.  They claim to be against illegal immigration while having staffs or supporting industries composed of them. All politicians lie but you have to look at what the lies are attempting to conceal and what buttons they're attempting to push in their constituents.

The republicans want a weak, ignorant, possibly illiterate, apathetic pubic that distrusts its government and looks on its neighbors with suspicion, genderism and racism. They want it because it makes us easier to control which ti the point. It's not even subtle. that so many people who shouldn't, logically, fall for that crap manage to do so is a testament to the skill of the republican division machine.

What bugs me most is that people on the ground of all ethnicities find ways to buy into their ridiculous propaganda DESPITE ample video evidence that puts the lie to EVERY statement they make claiming to have normal folks' interests at heart.

It's mind boggling that there are any blue collar, black, gay or female republicans because those are the specific groups who are, invariably, screwed by the policies of the party when it is in power. How f*cking stupid to you have to be to lick and kiss the hand that punches you in the throat over and over and over again?

Very.

The demagogue mentality that you referenced is exactly the reason why some blue collar, Black, female and gay people find themselves as members of the Republican party.

They are able to disassociate themselves from those groups even though there are members of them on the basis of hate. It could be self-hate which manifests into castigating those like you in a misguided attempt to absolve themselves of any connection. Hatred of others also works as some blue collar members can tolerate poverty, disenfranchisement and marginilization as long as they are better than those no good (insert race here). This tact is the easiest as it appeals to White skin privilege which is a mainstay of American society.

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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2008, 06:43:09 PM »
Well Redjack ... while some folks on the board will certainly disagree with me ... I think you're kinda proving my point.  At a minimum, you've certainly gone further than Reginald Hudlin ... in that you damn all black Republicans with extreme vitriol.

But then again ... you condemn all Republicans.  Haha.  So at least you are consistent.  ;)

I don't hate republicans. Most of them are just misguided. The ones that aren't, the ones at the top of the party who are, not uncoincidentally, fabulously wealthy, are, it is consistently revealed, the scum of the earth. They legislate against homosexuals and then are caught in homosexual trysts, they attempt to regulate social mores while cheating on their taxes, spouses, bar exams etc. They thump the bible for the votes of the credulous but engage in hedonistc pursuits that would make the Romans blush.  They claim to be against illegal immigration while having staffs or supporting industries composed of them. All politicians lie but you have to look at what the lies are attempting to conceal and what buttons they're attempting to push in their constituents.

The republicans want a weak, ignorant, possibly illiterate, apathetic pubic that distrusts its government and looks on its neighbors with suspicion, genderism and racism. They want it because it makes us easier to control which ti the point. It's not even subtle. that so many people who shouldn't, logically, fall for that crap manage to do so is a testament to the skill of the republican division machine.

What bugs me most is that people on the ground of all ethnicities find ways to buy into their ridiculous propaganda DESPITE ample video evidence that puts the lie to EVERY statement they make claiming to have normal folks' interests at heart.

It's mind boggling that there are any blue collar, black, gay or female republicans because those are the specific groups who are, invariably, screwed by the policies of the party when it is in power. How f*cking stupid to you have to be to lick and kiss the hand that punches you in the throat over and over and over again?

Very.

These words should be engraved in stone somewhere.


There's no more perfect example of this than the Ohio governor's race of 2006.  Ken Blackwell was the African-American Secretary of State, and he promised to deliver the state for Bush in 2004. He was positioning himself for a run for governor in 2006. He's as far to the right as you can get without slapping a swastika on your chest and goose-stepping.  And in 2006, he made good on his promise to help Bush get reelected.  In districts with a large black population, Blackwell under-allocated the number of voting machines available to those districts.  Long lines and lengthy waits resulted, and an investigation afterwards found that while the average wait to vote in other districts was 20 minutes, the wait in the targeted districts was 90 minutes to 2 hours.  Of course, there's no way to measure how many people simply got fed up with the wait and left, or saw the long lines and just kept going.  Bush took Ohio and was reelected.

So Blackwell proved himself to be a loyal Bushie.  He then began his run for governor, kissing up to all the rightwing interest groups, including one that had ties to the John Birch society.  He had every reason to believe he would win, because Ohioans had put a Republican in the governor's office in every election of the previous 20 years.

But a funny thing on Blackwell's way to the governor's mansion.  All those strident, loyal Republicans who had dutifully marched to the polls in every previous election to insure that their nominee would occupy the governor's seat either didn't show up or voted for the Democrat -- and Blackwell, the loyal soldier who helped insure Bush's reelection -- who kissed every ass on the right that he need to kiss -- who proclaimed his pro-life, pro-gun, pro you-name-it bonafides on every conservative viewpoint --  found himself abandoned at the polls and went down to a double-digit defeat.  The first Republican to lose the Ohio governorship in a generation.  Coincidentally, his trouncing coincided with the similiar defeats of Lynn Swann in the Pennsylvania governor's race, and Michael Steele in the U.S. Senate race in Maryland.

What they didn't understand was that not only did black voters not care for them, white Republicans didn't care for them.  But don't shed any tears for at least two of them though.  Both Steele and Blackwell landed jobs as commentators for Fox News, where they can be paid handsomely as shills for the GOP.




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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2008, 08:27:16 PM »
At a minimum, you've certainly gone further than Reginald Hudlin ... in that you damn all black Republicans with extreme vitriol.

Redjack isn't a Republican?

He's not the only one, you know.  I'm not sure if "damn" is the word though, not in my case. More like "have absolutely no respect for whatsoever." And just to prove this isn't just a Republican thing, I look at child molesters, black feminists and Redskins fans the same way. They're all floating in the same GTFOOHWTB boat, and I'd dance a jig of glee should it ever capsize.
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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2008, 09:47:55 PM »
Republican? ME?

Holy crap. Hell, no.

I'd change citizenship before I'd be a Reb.
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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2008, 11:33:39 PM »
Now that we've completed the complete psychoanalysis of RPD (Republican Personality Disorder) ...



I'm moved to watch an episode from season 2 of Jericho ... you know, that inspiring show about the cabal of evil old Republicans who nuke scores of cities throughout the nation to forge a fascist dictatorship from the ashes of America ...



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C'mon Redjack ... its time for you to get in touch with your inner Republican.

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2008, 11:49:07 PM »
My wife makes her look like a mutilated boy.

And that's just her soul.


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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2008, 12:18:31 AM »
Redjack, OK ... to help you along, here are a few comments by Sarah Palin regarding the issue of energy independence:



My son shared some thoughts with me as to why Palin was a smart strategic choice.  He states:

Sarah Palin was a very smart choice politically. McCain's strong points politically are experience and foreign policy. Those are Palin's weak points, but it does not matter because she fills in many of the other gaps and is the bottom of the ticket, unlike Obama. Any attack on her experience will inevitably lead back to Obama's experience. Experience is a losing issue for Obama.

The following are the reasons why I believe she was a great VP pick, in no particular order:

1. She may be able to get a few Hillary voters, though probably not many. There might be some female voters that vote purely on identity politics ( voting to break the "glass ceiling" is probably a more charitable way of putting it). In a close election this could make a difference.  Regardless of Hillary voters, Palin being a woman gives McCain a little of that "change" stuff that this election seems to be obsessed with. If Obama wins it will obviously be historic because of his race, but this pick makes a McCain victory a historic one as well because of his VP's gender.

2. She helps get rid of the age issue because she is 28 years younger than McCain.

3. She is the polar opposite of the Biden pick. She is not a Washington insider at all. She is a new face. She is a woman. She does not have hair plugs. She is mild mannered. Biden can't be a blowhard in the VP debate or he'll come off as a jerk.

4. Energy will be a key issue in this election, and an Alaska governor knows a lot more about energy than a Senator from Illinois or Delaware. Energy independence is also a national security issue.

5. She has energized the Republican base.

6. She helps reinforce the mantle of reform oriented candidates on the Republican ticket with her record of reform measures in Alaska.

7. She has executive experience, something no one else on either ticket has.

8. She is very likable and in no way can she be painted as "elitist" (as the Obama people have been doing to McCain because of the number of houses he owns). She is down to earth and has a great story and background that many people will identify with.

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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2008, 12:31:29 AM »
Of course no public figure should be immune from criticism.  Substantive criticism.  What I don't like, what I object to, is the tenor of some of the criticism which goes beyond the substance of the public figure's positions on issues to name calling and the like, really disparaging characterizations (such as "Uncle Tom" etc.) and dismissive comments that are keyed to the person's race and/or gender (based on the critic's view of what that person's views "should" be based on that person's race or gender).  This kind of behavior is typical of the Left.
You mean like when Rush Limbaugh refers to Obama as "Barack, the Magic Negro?"
Or maybe like when Tucker Carlson said that everytime he hears Hillary speak he has involuntary urge to cross his legs?
Please don't make me dig up quotes from the likes of Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and countless conservative Republican commentators disparaging people based on their race or gender.  The mountain of racist and sexist invective spewed on the right side of the political spectrum is so high that Kilimanjaro pales in comparison.
You're claiming the moral high ground while standing at the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

DamonO ... you appear to be the biggest fan of Mr. Limbaugh on this forum.  You refer to him regularly, at every opportunity you can devise!   ;D   I don't know how to break this to you ... but really, I am not Rush Limbaugh posing as michaelintp.

Of course all of us find the kind of comments you refer to to be offensive.  My point was to point out something that many folks on this forum are not willing to acknowledge.  That boxing in people on the basis of their race or gender is equally a form of racism and sexism.

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Re: McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2008, 02:00:13 AM »
Redjack, OK ... to help you along, here are a few comments by Sarah Palin regarding the issue of energy independence:

Yeah. BS. One of the things that the corporate world has done quite well over the decades is to foment this notion that there's a "debate" about the destruction of the environment or the relative interdependence of nations vis a vis oil consumption. It's no surprise that her series of "answers" went unchallenged. She doesn't discuss the footprint such a construction would have. Nor does she seem to have a working knowledge of (or interest in) the breakthroughs in renewable energy production that nations around the world have made. She's still talking about COAL which is the largest reason for the increase of greenhouse gasses and the mining of which literally rapes the land. She's talking about drilling and building a pipeline that would, conservatively, take a DECADE to complete and likely fifteen years, minimum, to get any of that oil into the system.

In addition, all the oil companies have scores of contracts- untapped, undrilled tracts of oil rich land that they have done nothing with and which do not have the same impact on the environment should they choose to extract, either from the construction aspects or from the drilling itself. Once again, what you're seeing is a pol who is nakedly in the pockets of the very industries that SUPPRESS clean technologies, speaking in doublespeak to a public that knows too little about the issue (GE owns NBC, remember?). And the "interveiwer" actually finsihed her sentences for her. Please. Pull the other one. I'm young but I wasn't born yesterday.

I could wipe that chick out in ten minutes and I'm a lay person. She's a pretty liar. And getting less pretty the more she talks.

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Sarah Palin was a very smart choice politically. McCain's strong points politically are experience and foreign policy. Those are Palin's weak points, but it does not matter because she fills in many of the other gaps and is the bottom of the ticket, unlike Obama. Any attack on her experience will inevitably lead back to Obama's experience. Experience is a losing issue for Obama.

Apologies to your son but, "Bunk." Experience is no more a liability for Obama than it was for Clinton. Sorry. Bzzzzt! Clinton beat  the former head of the CIA. McCain isn't close to that league. Do you think Obama is dumber than Clinton? less charismatic? The only liability he has is his skin and, so far, that ain't holding nobody back.

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1. She may be able to get a few Hillary voters, though probably not many. There might be some female voters that vote purely on identity politics ( voting to break the "glass ceiling" is probably a more charitable way of putting it). In a close election this could make a difference.  Regardless of Hillary voters, Palin being a woman gives McCain a little of that "change" stuff that this election seems to be obsessed with. If Obama wins it will obviously be historic because of his race, but this pick makes a McCain victory a historic one as well because of his VP's gender.

Nope. Only stupid bigots will switch parties to vote for her and they would likely have done so anyway. Good riddance to stupid rubbish.

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2. She helps get rid of the age issue because she is 28 years younger than McCain.

No. That's cancelled out by the "OMIGOD, if he dies in office this chick will be driving the bus" issue. Moronic. It DRAWS ATENTION to his age rather than offsetting it. NOBODY is voting for her to be in the big chair. It's a non issue. You guys were happy with DAN QUAYLE. Nuff said.

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3. She is the polar opposite of the Biden pick. She is not a Washington insider at all. She is a new face. She is a woman. She does not have hair plugs. She is mild mannered. Biden can't be a blowhard in the VP debate or he'll come off as a jerk.

Mild manered. She's a skilled industry shill who is, in her little corner of creation, just as backdealing and unshivelrous as any Washington insider. PLEASE don't oversell the idea that an apparently sweet disposition is going to go far when people think of their wallets and heating costs. Plus, NOBODY VOTES for the VP. Never have, never will. The absolute best you'll get out of this is a slightly closer loss to Obama.

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4. Energy will be a key issue in this election, and an Alaska governor knows a lot more about energy than a Senator from Illinois or Delaware. Energy independence is also a national security issue.

She knows jack about energy, Michael. She knows about drilling and pleasing Big Oil. Not even close to the same thing. As I sad. I could eviscerate her on the subject in ten minutes witout checking notes. Plus, if you think the can take Biden, I say bring it on. She won't be deabting Obama in any case and he can eat McCain for lunch. On his way to a real lunch.

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5. She has energized the Republican base.

we'll see. I think your base likes to eat too. and, again, nobody votes for the VP. enjoy the sparkes for the next week or so. the shine will vanish about as quickly.

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6. She helps reinforce the mantle of reform oriented candidates on the Republican ticket with her record of reform measures in Alaska.

Reform. Do you envision McCain taking notes from this chick? Do you envision her challenging anything he says in public or in private? She is worthless in that regard and, as a result, says nothing about change one way or the other. In fact, McCain is no Maverick, despite the PR. he has sided with the current administration 9 times out of 10 for the entire time of its tenure. Obama will destroy him on that alone. Plus he gets hot pretty quick and Obama NEVER does. let him lose his temper ONCE and it's over.

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7. She has executive experience, something no one else on either ticket has.

Big deal. She's not driving and won't be in the front seat. She'll be less than the First Lady.

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8. She is very likable and in no way can she be painted as "elitist" (as the Obama people have been doing to McCain because of the number of houses he owns). She is down to earth and has a great story and background that many people will identify with.

She's as likable as any unknown relatively cute face. The more America learns of her, the more they will find that what plays in Alaska pretty much stays there. She's a two minute news story an it's already been 1 minute 45.
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