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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2006, 04:30:22 PM »
That's because most Storm fans are not giving the book a chance. They just feel that Hudlin is going to slaughter the character and have her play a supporting role to BP. They feel that she will lose her position as Marvel's premier female character. Honestly, Storm is easily one of the most complex characters in Marvel and many Storm fans know a tremendous amount of her character (I know about every inch of it personally. lol). I say do a huge story with Storm really doing something awesome that would appeal to the  fanboy side of Storm fans regardless as to how they feel about Hudlin. This would be a very strong incentive for them to pick up the story and maybe change their mind about Hudlin seeing as many of them are not giving him a chance. He can probably win a number of them over with such a story well executed. There was such an allergic reaction because Storm is a very popular character and many readers care about her. In a way, this reaction was a good thing because everyone knows now that Storm really has a following. I agree, however, that many gave their opiniions in an offensive manner.  I say use the fact that people care so much to create a story that would really just attract these readers to improve readership number of the title. When you consider the facts I am about to provide, you will see that there was definately a basis for concern.

I also had grave concerns about this union.  I am just more open-minded and giving the book a chance. I think some of the strong reactions that were outright rude were not all meant to be racist, to be honest. Some I definately think were racially motivated, but certainly not all of them. Many of the strong objectors where/are as I am, a long time Black fans of Storm.I think people worded their feelings and objections wrong.

Upon comparing Storm to the Black Panther, she is not only a more popular character, but she has had the benefit of years and years of top notch character development. This is all thanks to Chris Claremont who tends to want to portray women and ethnic characters at the highest of levels. (Storm happens to be both!) So she got the full measure of his genius. Black Panther, on the other hand, doesn't have anywhere near the depth of character Storm has earned over the years. I mean read stories like "Life/Death" and you will see what I mean. I think what many feel is that they should have courted for some time while BP got characterization that put him up on Storm's level to make him worthy of her. This way, they are two equally yoked characters. I feel this is why so many brought up Mary and Peter and Jean and Scott and Reed and Sue. These relationships ripened over time and the marriage was very appropriate. There was a very strong bond of friendship and everything that should come prior to marriage.

There are many layers to her character. This is why she is so great and also why the character is inherently difficult for writers who are not thorougly aware of herr background to write.  I'll tell you, as a Storm fan, I was very upset myself when T'challa ended up rescuing Storm in Dickey's rewriting of their history as children. He undermined many innate and fundamental aspects of the character that I and other Storm fans love so much. She never had to struggle to control her powers. Her unity with life itself gives her an innate understanding of the workings of the forces of nature. She has a spirital, mental and physical resonance with the life force of the Earth (or whatever planet or heavenly body she is on or in proximity to). She never had to struggle like Magneto or Xavier or most of the other mutants had to in order to gain a profound understanding of her powers. She should have been able to flatten those people with her powers purposely and easily. This spirituality also goes into her character personality. That inner serenity she is renouned for as well as possessing the extreme opposite of that serenity in her temperament if properly motivated. Despite this, I still give BP a chance and continue to read it. Other Storm fans did not like the marriage and stuff this what Dickey really did nothing to improve their disposition and assauge their concerns.  They feel that Storm may be written down because she is paired with a character who does not have nearly as rich a history and characterization background as she has had the benefit of for years.

I am by no means saying that Hudlin is doing a bad job of writing the BP character. Its just it will take years of writing BP to bring the character up to par to where Storm is. This is also partly why many fans felt Wolverine was more suitable for Ororo. I VERY heartily disagree with them here. He had his sites on Jean who was already spoken for for many years. To have him and Storm now become an item would really be a slap in the face to the Storm character considering she was present during the whole Scott/Jean/Logan love triangle. However, Wolverine is perhaps the foremost character of Marvel and does share long and profound friendship with Storm. He also has a very deep side to him that Claremont developed and delved into for years. I don't know what is being done with him in his title or if he is being written with any depth right now since I don't read about him. I honestly don't care about the character. My personal feelings aside, the two would have made sense save for the Jean thing which I find unforgivable and completely nulls and voids all of the positive. lol!


Chris Claremont said it best for years. "The hardest part about putting Storm in a relationship is who is good enough for her?" lol! This lady has turned down gods who have offered her a throne in their kindoms and rulers of entire dimensions who offered her a throne by their side. Then she has that rich history and character development.

I really want Storm and Black Panther to work. I am rooting for them.

Reading this title, I really think Hudlin has every intention of keeping Storm her own person. I think there are awkward (spelling?) moments sometimes like in September's issue which I have already said my piece on and don't really want to go on about it. However, I maintain high hopes.

Wolverine and Storm would have been the absolute PITS!

Wow. Quite extensive. But I kindof disagree. I just can't imagine that the reputation of black panther is SOOO bad amongst other comic fans that they'd avoid the book even after reading the wedding issue. More likely (given that the sales more than doubled for that issue), is that people just didn't like the writing and decided not to continue after that issue. I don't care what kind of 'reputation' a book or a writer has, at the end of the day people are gonna buy or not buy based on what they find interesting or enjoyable - and apparently enough people didn't find the wedding issue enough of a hook to stay on the book. That is disappointing to me because I think the wedding was probably the best issue written in this current series.
I will add that I was one of the MANY people who didn't like the idea of Storm and Bp being married - this SOON - I thought thier whole romance was rather forced and hamfisted. Not that I didn't like the idea of the two of them together, that always struck me as interesting, just that there was little or no build-up in the relationship and a whole other mini-series had to be slapped together to explain how they had some type of deeper bond.
As far as MORE Storm, well honestly, this comic is called 'Black Panther'. And I still don't feel i know much about THAT guy after 20 issues, so I think any more focus on Storm takes away from the lead character. I think their interaction has been good and very sincere so far, it's just that - similar to what some others have said on this forum, she's a hella dynamic character - and issues like the last one where they're on the moon, she comes off as a novice, when, in all honesty Storm has travelled to more planets, dimensions and universes than T'Challa has EVER been shown to visit. And she CAN use her powers in space, solar winds, lightening etc. she did it in a few X-books, it's complicated but she can.

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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2006, 04:32:16 PM »
Agreed.  Think that the idea of Wolvering and Storm came from the movie with the makeover of both characters played by actors who really didn't fit Claremont's comic version....Hugh Jackman is too tall and almost pretty and Halle Berry is too perky and not ethnic enough in looks or accent, wooden performance, etc.  But that is where the beginning of a Storm/Wolverine pairing came....the commercially successful movie franchise!!!!

Storm is popular within the framework of the XMen and not as an indivdual ...only Wolverine stands apart commercially.  Thus, sales will rise based on a great story that ties them back to the X franchise...and down the line she should be able to hold her own.

Nope. Linking Storm and Wolverine together romantically dates back WAaaay further than the movie. In fact, the relations between Storm and Wolverine even in the last X-Movie were absolutely tepid compared to the passion that at least HE has shown towards her during the Claremont run. It just never jumped off. But there have been alternative universes where they are married or in some other way involved.

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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2006, 04:33:36 PM »
board not the same without blkyoda pissing in the cheerios,    welcome back blk!!!!


Thank you thank you - It's nice to be wanted  ;D

I had wanted to absorb more of the wedding arc before coming back and posting again... Now, it's back to the usual....

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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2006, 07:00:21 PM »

Wow. Quite extensive. But I kindof disagree. I just can't imagine that the reputation of black panther is SOOO bad amongst other comic fans that they'd avoid the book even after reading the wedding issue. More likely (given that the sales more than doubled for that issue), is that people just didn't like the writing and decided not to continue after that issue. I don't care what kind of 'reputation' a book or a writer has, at the end of the day people are gonna buy or not buy based on what they find interesting or enjoyable - and apparently enough people didn't find the wedding issue enough of a hook to stay on the book. That is disappointing to me because I think the wedding was probably the best issue written in this current series.
I will add that I was one of the MANY people who didn't like the idea of Storm and Bp being married - this SOON - I thought thier whole romance was rather forced and hamfisted. Not that I didn't like the idea of the two of them together, that always struck me as interesting, just that there was little or no build-up in the relationship and a whole other mini-series had to be slapped together to explain how they had some type of deeper bond.
As far as MORE Storm, well honestly, this comic is called 'Black Panther'. And I still don't feel i know much about THAT guy after 20 issues, so I think any more focus on Storm takes away from the lead character. I think their interaction has been good and very sincere so far, it's just that - similar to what some others have said on this forum, she's a hella dynamic character - and issues like the last one where they're on the moon, she comes off as a novice, when, in all honesty Storm has travelled to more planets, dimensions and universes than T'Challa has EVER been shown to visit. And she CAN use her powers in space, solar winds, lightening etc. she did it in a few X-books, it's complicated but she can.

No, its not that his reputation is so bad, its just he has never acheived the stature of people like Spiderman, Storm, Wolverine, Iron Man and a host of other Marvel characters to be honest. I think that people just don't care about him regardless of how well the story is told. A good story has to have an audience to read it. Storm is a godsend, I think, for BP and the title. It just amazes me how people like Cienano (sorry if I mispelled your name) and others are pushing for her to become secondary character in the title. You have a character  that MANY people care about and will read about if they hear something major is going to happen with the character. You use Storm as a magnet to draw people to the title while telling good stories about BP as well. People will read about Storm and consequently about him as well. If good stories are told about BP as well, they will start to like him as well. He will grow up them. This was a major reason I did my "Storm Stories!" thread. Stories like that told would draw in the STorm fans. BELIEVE me. It really would. It is something that is original. Something about STorm that we have not seen before despite the fact that the whole foundation for a story like that has been long established in continuity. People read the book to see Storm do something awesome and meanwhile get to see BP as well. They are happy with what they read about Storm and decide to stick with the title feeling that Hudlin is really going to deliver with the character. At the same time, he writes very good BP stories and people will read that to read about Ororo as well and he will grow on them.

As far as this whole marriage rush thing, they are merely blaming him because he is the writer on the BP title now. Fans would have been VERY unhappy about it regardless of who the writer is because of the way it was done.   The marriage felt forced and rushed. Storm's character suffered and was written down in the Dickey mini and all and you had black writers at the time of this event.  Naturally, feeling that the marriage did not make sense, they got the idea it happened because the writer(s) were black, the characters were black and the mini started in Black History Month. So they feel that race was the motivation for the marriage. So some people made some evil comments out of a spirit of racism. Totally inexcusable on their part, however, you also had many black fans saying the same thing. They did not say it out of a spirit of racism (and I don't think all whites who were against it and said the same things as well were all racist though some really were in their hearts, I believe). It would not have gone *as far* down that road with an caucasion writer for obvious reasons Storm and BP are both black and the writer would have been white. However, it still would have earned a very allergic reaction from the readership if executed in the same fashion and they still would have screamed that the marriage was allowed to happen because both characters are black.

Personally, I am glad that you have a strong black union. Its rare to find in comics. The marriage is done and the two are a couple. All of this other stuff is in the past. I say now lets look to the future and see what can be done about increasing readership. For me, the obvious thing is to do something big with Storm. I am not saying neglect the BP by any means. Give him stuff to do in the story as well, but definately give Storm her moment to shine.

There are two reasons why issue 18 spiked up in sales. 1)  Storm fans, regardless how they felt about the marriage, were not going to miss her marriage. 2) It was a tie-in to Civil War and people want to have the whole series.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2006, 08:01:56 PM by Rutog98 »
Ex-X-Writer and Ex-X-editor Ann Nocenti writes on Storm:

"At her command, oceans rise, breezes cool, rains pummel, tornadoes destroy, sun dries, seas part."

Take from page 24 or 26 of her novel, "Prisoner X"

Pretty nifty! ;)

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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2006, 08:12:47 AM »
Storm is a godsend, I think, for BP and the title. It just amazes me how people like Cienano (sorry if I mispelled your name) and others are pushing for her to become secondary character in the title.

i am not pushing for her to become a secondary character, she is allready a secondary character.the main character is the black panther.
besides, i never liked the x-men, their only good run is the one from grant morrison, and storm never appeared in those issues.
so for me all this blah bla bla  about : ''ohh, storm is a very important character , an icon, etc.etc.'' is unimportant. she is just another character in the marvel universe for me.
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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2006, 02:46:32 PM »
CIENCIANO...in order to apprecitate the XMen as they are now a household word you cannot ignore Claremont's definitive contribution for over 15 years on this book...he successfully recreated Storm and also created the most diverse team ever in Xtreme Xmen...and if you are talking about outstanding (what about the fact that Storm is the only leader to ever stand up to Xavier) and challenge him on her own terms and create her own independent path/dream/team...none of the leaders in all the years have the balls to do that ...only Storm!

Additionally, Morrison came along after their heyday which commercially speaking was in the early 90s when they sold 1 million copies of XMen (Claremont and Jim Lee).  The definitive Xmen stories happend way before 2000 and any writer can come along with a proven hit and jump on the bandwagon...try a title no one wants or has made a movie out of...in other words build it from nothing like Claremont did.

She may not have the ability to carry her own comic title but she is a household name and famous enough to get a 12 million dollar per movie celebrity like Halle Berry to play her 3x.
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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2006, 03:35:16 PM »


She may not have the ability to carry her own comic title but she is a household name and famous enough to get a 12 million dollar per movie celebrity like Halle Berry to play her 3x.

Actually, I think if Marvel gave her the chance, Storm could very easily carry her own title. Let someone like Simonson or Claremont or Ann Nocenti write it and use a good artist, the book will sell. It makes more sense than giving solo titles to other characters they have given it to in the past.
Ex-X-Writer and Ex-X-editor Ann Nocenti writes on Storm:

"At her command, oceans rise, breezes cool, rains pummel, tornadoes destroy, sun dries, seas part."

Take from page 24 or 26 of her novel, "Prisoner X"

Pretty nifty! ;)

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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2006, 03:02:18 AM »
OT: Hey guys! Did you see the deleted scenes of X3? Some great scenes of Storm's were taken out!  >:( It would have made the film better! They were really killing people!
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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2006, 04:34:57 AM »
OT: Hey guys! Did you see the deleted scenes of X3? Some great scenes of Storm's were taken out!  >:( It would have made the film better! They were really killing people!
Interesting. Damn, now I have to buy it. >:(

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Re: Are We getting Enough Storm
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2006, 08:59:08 AM »
...Rassclaat.

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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2006, 02:35:58 PM »


She may not have the ability to carry her own comic title but she is a household name and famous enough to get a 12 million dollar per movie celebrity like Halle Berry to play her 3x.

Actually, I think if Marvel gave her the chance, Storm could very easily carry her own title. Let someone like Simonson or Claremont or Ann Nocenti write it and use a good artist, the book will sell. It makes more sense than giving solo titles to other characters they have given it to in the past.

claremont shouldn't write comics anymore. his work from the late 70's early 80's might be really good ( the dark phoenix saga and all), but his current work is pathetic, boring  and totally outdated.