Author Topic: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....  (Read 6000 times)

Offline blkyoda

  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 385
    • View Profile
It was  relief to read BP #36 and see Shuri acting like a real woman, and BP and Storm interacting in a way that is rare in comics. How often do we get a realistic look at the conflicts that normal superheroes would have in thier personal lives? Given Storm's crazy adventures with the X-Men a missed phonecall could mean she's busy, she's DEAD, or she's trapped in another dimension. Either way, It's interesting to me that in the last year while the 'Sistas with white guys' trend has petered out on Television in Movies it seems to be moving into comics - or is it just me? Is this something that other pantherfans notice, that BP and Storm are the only black couple in comics, or is that just my black nationalist streak coming out during every wednesday comic pick up. Currently,

Batman is dating Jezebell Jet - (Don't get me started on the name)
http://community.livejournal.com/torchbearers/8074.html

Lily Hollister is Dating Harry Osborn and Flirting with Peter Parker
http://www.comicvine.com/lily-hollister/49653/

Miss Arrow was Dating Flash Thompson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Arrow

Is it just me or does it seem strange that none of these women are beautiful enough as just black women but have to have white or European styled hair (sistas haven't rocked the blonde thing since Venus and Serena back in the early 2000's) to be acceptable, or the fact that slowly but surely black men are being eliminated from Marvel comics as of late....(Bishop is essentially maimed, Nezhno is gone, Xavin and Crusader are skrulls masquerading as black men, and Rhodey has been disfigured)...Is this a new trend...Kill off the brothers and throw the sistas to the white guys... or am I just being paranoid now that Barak is the nominee....?

Offline BmoreAkuma

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 2237
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2008, 11:46:38 am »
It was  relief to read BP #36 and see Shuri acting like a real woman, and BP and Storm interacting in a way that is rare in comics. How often do we get a realistic look at the conflicts that normal superheroes would have in thier personal lives? Given Storm's crazy adventures with the X-Men a missed phonecall could mean she's busy, she's DEAD, or she's trapped in another dimension. Either way, It's interesting to me that in the last year while the 'Sistas with white guys' trend has petered out on Television in Movies it seems to be moving into comics - or is it just me? Is this something that other pantherfans notice, that BP and Storm are the only black couple in comics, or is that just my black nationalist streak coming out during every wednesday comic pick up. Currently,

Batman is dating Jezebell Jet - (Don't get me started on the name)
http://community.livejournal.com/torchbearers/8074.html

Lily Hollister is Dating Harry Osborn and Flirting with Peter Parker
http://www.comicvine.com/lily-hollister/49653/

Miss Arrow was Dating Flash Thompson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Arrow

Is it just me or does it seem strange that none of these women are beautiful enough as just black women but have to have white or European styled hair (sistas haven't rocked the blonde thing since Venus and Serena back in the early 2000's) to be acceptable, or the fact that slowly but surely black men are being eliminated from Marvel comics as of late....(Bishop is essentially maimed, Nezhno is gone, Xavin and Crusader are skrulls masquerading as black men, and Rhodey has been disfigured)...Is this a new trend...Kill off the brothers and throw the sistas to the white guys... or am I just being paranoid now that Barak is the nominee....?


I dont get it as well. As many of these black male superheroes out there you would think that one of them ladies would have an interests. but unfortunately these "sistas" are chasing the powerful hero that has some clout and the such. which is not anymore different in our society now of the assumption when one sees a black woman with a white male. "more money, not ghetto" It is funny to me that in our society many would get upset if a black man dates a white woman but shruggs it off once a black woman dates a white man.  ::)

 
With these choices, I felt that the American black man only needed to choose which one to get eaten by; the liberal fox or the conservative wolf because both of them will eat him.

Offline JLI Jesse

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 3788
  • We are men of action. Lies do not become us.
    • View Profile
    • Grab Them By The Pod
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2008, 11:50:04 am »
Miss Arrow was Dating Flash Thompson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Arrow



In this case, I'd be less worried about the black/white thing, and more worried about the spider/human thing  :P

Offline Yaw

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 771
  • Brother Voodoo (Papa Vodu)- The Foundation
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2008, 12:38:52 pm »
Is this a new trend...Kill off the brothers and throw the sistas to the white guys... or am I just being paranoid now that Barak is the nominee....?

both
and I'm right with you  ;)

Offline Vic Vega

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 4151
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 12:46:55 pm »
Man, I didnt even know that J. Jet was supposed to be Black until I googled her and saw that she was now in charge of "a small African Nation".

Same with Lily Hollister.

It's like somebod saw Beyonce and Robin Givens and thought THAT was the standard for Black womanhood.

And I've notice the definite lack of intra-racial relationship for Black characters for awhile now. See Checkmate-Mr. Terrific and Sasha Midnight(Jezebel Jet, Sasha Midnight--do these chick do porn in their spare time?) for an example.   

Offline Toya

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1267
  • Indifferent.
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 08:59:36 pm »
I'm not buying it at all. First off, those chicks aren't superheroes nor are they poular and in fact they were made for these male characters as a love interest. It's common. Next, these girls are a few in a cycle of (pre-dominantly white) love interests to follow for the male characters as the latter's stories continue. And last, why y'all jealous paranoid?  :P
...Rassclaat.

Offline KIP LEWIS

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 5879
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2008, 07:54:40 am »
I don't think this is a new trend.  Iron Fist and Misty are one of the longest running couples in comics.  And seemed like these matches have gone on for a while.

Personally, I think a big factor in interracial couples is "PC".  Having a black (or any minority) love interest is an easy way to make a prodiminently white cast have a little more color.  Also, I think interracial couples is a short-hand method of protraying "everyone is equal/same". 

It's funny.  Before coming to this forum and learning some things, when I read or watched a storyline with a mixed cast, I would see black character hooking up with a new black character and I would see that as the more "racist" action on the part of writers.  Why? Because I would think: "what isn't the black character good enough to date one of the current white cast members?"   Now, I understand why that view isn't necessarily true, but for a long time, it did bother me.

Offline Reginald Hudlin

  • Landlord
  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 9990
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2008, 07:57:49 am »
Great post Kip.  That shows how hard it is to be progressive, with the best of intentions.

Offline Curtis Metcalf

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 4516
  • One never knows, do one?
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2008, 09:14:08 am »
both
and I'm right with you  ;)

First Jenn and now Yaw. Is this homecoming week? (Didn't forget you either wgreason.)
Glad you're all more or less back.
"Seek first to understand, then to be understood."
"Be hard on systems, but soft on people."

Offline Mastrmynd

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 8172
  • Check my new site www.top20takeover.VVCRadio.com
    • View Profile
    • http://arvellpoe.atspace.com/
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2008, 06:24:46 pm »
homecoming weekend indeed.
it'll be official if my e-wife showed up and said "hello!"


Listen to my entertaining radio show, "The Takeover: Top 20 Countdown" at www.top20takeover.VVCRadio.com.

Right on to the real and death to the fakers!  Peace out!

wgreason

  • Guest
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 08:44:22 am »
I wrote a lengthy letter to Marvel about these issues about five years ago, and they promptly started the Luke Cage/Jessica Jones relationship and showed an "almost-hookup" between Susan Storm and T'Challa.

BW/WM relationships go back to at least the early 1970s in comics, but BM/WW relationships were not shown with any frequency until after 2000 (just look at the hype the Hawkgirl/GL-Stewart match got in the Justice League cartoon).

There was even a censoring of Wonder Woman's hookup with a black boyfriend 3 or 4 years ago.

...

I'd prefer to see more black women in relationships with black men in comics (thus my happiness with the Storm/Panther marriage), but really, just having more black women in comics is good, so I can tolerate the WM/BW as long as race is handled with some intelligence in their interactions.


I don't think this is a new trend.  Iron Fist and Misty are one of the longest running couples in comics.  And seemed like these matches have gone on for a while.

Personally, I think a big factor in interracial couples is "PC".  Having a black (or any minority) love interest is an easy way to make a prodiminently white cast have a little more color.  Also, I think interracial couples is a short-hand method of protraying "everyone is equal/same". 

It's funny.  Before coming to this forum and learning some things, when I read or watched a storyline with a mixed cast, I would see black character hooking up with a new black character and I would see that as the more "racist" action on the part of writers.  Why? Because I would think: "what isn't the black character good enough to date one of the current white cast members?"   Now, I understand why that view isn't necessarily true, but for a long time, it did bother me.

Offline supreme illuminati

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 5972
  • Head Coach Ras, Founder of THE ATACX GYM
    • View Profile
    • A.T.A.C.X. GYM STREET WARRIOR CAPOEIRA
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 04:38:29 pm »
Is this a new trend...Kill off the brothers and throw the sistas to the white guys... or am I just being paranoid now that Barak is the nominee....?

both
and I'm right with you  ;)

where has YAW gone to? and SEE...blkyoda HAS said SEVERAL POSITIVE THINGS about RH.So there.Lol.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2010, 04:40:27 pm by supreme illuminati »
I AM THAT WHICH GODS,DEMONS,IMMORTALS AND ANGELS FEAR.I AM THAT WHICH PERFECTION ITSELF ASPIRES TO BE
BLACK PANTHER FANFIC:
http://archiveofourown.org/works/663070
Sub my YouTube with the world's first and only viral "capoeira" gun disarm technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM5F_qg2oFw

Offline Reginald Hudlin

  • Landlord
  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 9990
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2010, 11:30:42 am »
I would say blkyoda would give the "stopped watch is right twice a day" explaination for that.  But it was the best post he'd ever written, that's for sure.  It actually had a point beyond "hey, just stopped by to point out bad news" that was his typical MO.

Offline Curtis Metcalf

  • Honorary Wakandan
  • *****
  • Posts: 4516
  • One never knows, do one?
    • View Profile
Re: Storm, Shuri and the New Image of Black women in comics....
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2010, 11:50:34 am »
It actually had a point beyond "hey, just stopped by to point out bad news" that was his typical MO.

Either that or, "You suck. Why don't you go back to your day job."
"Seek first to understand, then to be understood."
"Be hard on systems, but soft on people."