Who has been footing the bill for Europe's defense?
I wonder what percentage of GDP France commits to its national defense? How about Germany? How about Canada, for that matter? I don't know. Just asking, though my guess is that it has to be a whole lot less. I wonder what the global consequences would be were the United States to dedicate the same percentage of its GDP to these Western European style social programs, and the same percentage of GDP to national defense? Even our resources are limited. It may not be possible to fully fund both, particularly as the cost of not only Health Care but all Entitlement Programs rise. (Knowing folks on the Forum, I'm sure many would be delighted with this prospect, particularly given the controversy surrounding Afghanistan and Iraq, but that prospect scares the hell out of me) Would this lead to the decline of the United States of America as a global power? Supplanted by what? The United Nations? (More accurately "The United Governments" many of which are less than democratic). The Islamic Republic of Iran or those who advocate a similar ideological movement?
Micheal do you just want to argue with democrats on health care? You've got to be tired by now.
Anywho my thing is if we can't fully support both, CUT
down national defense. Let Eurpoe protect themselves. And you're right I'm delighted over that aspect. Why would it be scary? Less funding goes to national defense but we already have: CIA, NSA, FBI, homeland security, and the national guard. How much protection do we need? Instead of having all those programs to protect ourselves from terrorist hows about we merge them all into one big unit. Call it
S.W.O.R.D + S.H.I.E.L.D
As to growing cost. Isn't there are things in the law designed to make getting medical care more efficient? I remember a rally where President Obama stated this bill (which is now law) identified things most would classify as wasteful expenditure.
Micheal I'm kindof looking at this like forming a new business. You have to put money in it to get started. (Money that we don't have. This is the thing that most scares me about this law) and hopefully you start generating profits. Or in this case eliminating wasteful spendatures.
Let's for the sake of argument give off two scenarios. One this law is a success and the other it's a huge failure.
I don't think China will loan us the money we already owe them like a billion dollars. You have to redistubt spending on the federal and state level. And finally you have to tax someone, say Business (which I know you hate), the rich (which I think is unfair) and finally everybody has there taxes increased.
Now you said earlier that no one minds taxes for good programs or something like that. I believe in this that I wouldn't mind being taxed for it. Personally, I would like to be selfish and just get that wealthy 1% taxed but meh. lol
So let's say everybody's taxes goes up and you cut the national defense budget (like you suggested, good idea by the way) and there's enough money now to cover this health care bill. The first question is if eveybody is paying a flat tax increase for this health care bill how much does taxes actually go up?
I think there's 250 million people in america. So that's 250 million dollars right there for health care if we all just give a dollar. But you can't tax the unemployed and under President Obama's plan you would tax the rich more.
So the pressure to squeeze more money comes out of the wealthy's hands.
So in a sense, it turns into a case of the HAVE NOTS VS. the HAVES!
I get that business worked hard for their money. People worked hard for their money. I don't want to take anybody's money away and yet at the same time this is really important to me. The african american community has always had a high unemployment rate. And now that unemployment rate is 16 % and you have to ask yourself why?
Poor education. Less Networking skills. You said your son is a lawyer or going to law school from your own words, (you didn't exactly say) but are you a lawyer too? Did you not provide the best education for your son and did you not open one or two doors for him at the same time. (Network for him) You know to help him get started.
You are most likely part of the HAVES in this equation.
And just for sake of getting all racial up in here.
Let's look at a black man who's well educated (Got his Masters and knows how to Network) stastically speaking you still have a higher unemployment rate for this man then say the white man.
And I know you must have heard all this before but bear with me.
So you have a bunch of people in the African American Community who are towards the LOWER and/or Middle income family for whatever reason who could benefit a lot from this health care law. Because essentially we tend to be the HAVENOTS in alot of ways. Not saying that all Blacks are Havenots
But it would be nice to have a system in place were the government was doing more for people who simply can't afford it (health care) or at least making the effort to treat it's sick.
and the other scenario. We invest in this and it doesn't save us money. It fails and now the American people owe billions/massive debt. We lose our global place in the world and now another country takes the lead maybe China (we owe them alot of money already)
So we lose our global place in the world. America is no longer a super power. Isn't that the worst that would happen? (And yeah, I'm well aware of that prospect freightens you) But America will still be here if it's nolonger a super power. We will still be the same country of left wing/right wing idiots fighting over health care or something else.
What does being a super power really mean? That the world looks to US
for support? In food, defense, blah blah blah! Let Europe and Africa and everybody else handle their own damn problems. Screw them. Put Americans first! And at least we tried to do that if this law fails. At least we tried to put Americans first by giving everyone a decent basic level of care.