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Hi, guys. I'll appreciate if you could help me out here.
As a foreigner I've been for years under the impression that the Republican party was this racist organization and had always been that way. In the other hand I always thought the Democratic party always stood for liberalism and equality. However recent findings have made me reconsider my position.
According to my readings in Wikipedia and other sources the KKK was founded by Democrats while The Republicans were abolitionist. Can you guys as Americans what was what really went down back then? When did the side switching happened and did it really happened?
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 07:02:08 am »
Hi, guys. I'll appreciate if you could help me out here.
As a foreigner I've been for years under the impression that the Republican party was this racist organization and had always been that way. In the other hand I always thought the Democratic party always stood for liberalism and equality. However recent findings have made me reconsider my position.
According to my readings in Wikipedia and other sources the KKK was founded by Democrats while The Republicans were abolitionist. Can you guys as Americans what was what really went down back then? When did the side switching happened and did it really happened?

Well, to only answer part of the question, the Republican party isn't a racist organization however I'd say a majority of racists probably consider themselves Republicans.   

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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 07:52:22 am »
That's an excellent question, Francisco. You are right, it has not always been so. There are probably some Wikipedia articles and the like on the subject. Keep in mind that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. (To relate it to comics, I always appreciated that in Icon, Augustus Freeman was a Republican because they freed the slaves.)

The Southern Democrats were certainly racist during Reconstruction and the leading force for creating Jim Crow segregation. The switch toward today's circumstances came about during the 1960s as I understand it. You might Google the Southern Strategy for some background.

There is a rich interplay of race, geography, and class in the history and evolution of Party Politics. There has also been the demise of what was once one of the two major parties, the Whig Party. The Republican party formed after the Whigs split up in the mid-19th century.
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 08:18:30 am »
The Southern Democrats were certainly racist during Reconstruction and the leading force for creating Jim Crow segregation. The switch toward today's circumstances came about during the 1960s as I understand it. You might Google the Southern Strategy for some background.


Which makes me wonder...  During Reconstruction, as a graphic designer, what was the significance of the 'Elephant' symbol that represented the republican party and the 'Donkey'  symbol that represented the democratic party in political cartoons then...
  
Was it that the Elephant represented that the republican party should 'never forget'  what happened after the Civil War?  ...or what??

Was it that the Donkey represent the 'stubborn' attitude of the democratic party during and after Civil War??

If so, after the roles were reversed in the 1960s, are the symbols representative of thier respective  parties today?

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There is a rich interplay of race, geography, and class in the history and evolution of Party Politics. There has also been the demise of what was once one of the two major parties, the Whig Party. The Republican party formed after the Whigs split up in the mid-19th century.


As I understand it, The Whig Party  were virtually phased out just ten years before the Civil War as they could not contain the rift between the Northern Abolitionists and the Southern Democrat Slavers any longer.  
Plus, It was out of fashion as most politicians were sporting 3-piece suits, stove-top hats and ties! :)
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 09:57:41 am »
Hi, guys. I'll appreciate if you could help me out here.
As a foreigner I've been for years under the impression that the Republican party was this racist organization and had always been that way. In the other hand I always thought the Democratic party always stood for liberalism and equality. However recent findings have made me reconsider my position.
According to my readings in Wikipedia and other sources the KKK was founded by Democrats while The Republicans were abolitionist. Can you guys as Americans what was what really went down back then? When did the side switching happened and did it really happened?

Do a Google search for "Southern Strategy Republicans".

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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 09:59:34 am »
Hi, guys. I'll appreciate if you could help me out here.
As a foreigner I've been for years under the impression that the Republican party was this racist organization and had always been that way. In the other hand I always thought the Democratic party always stood for liberalism and equality. However recent findings have made me reconsider my position.
According to my readings in Wikipedia and other sources the KKK was founded by Democrats while The Republicans were abolitionist. Can you guys as Americans what was what really went down back then? When did the side switching happened and did it really happened?

Do a Google search for "Southern Strategy Republicans".
I just did. Thanks.


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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 11:26:48 am »
Hi, guys. I'll appreciate if you could help me out here.
As a foreigner I've been for years under the impression that the Republican party was this racist organization and had always been that way. In the other hand I always thought the Democratic party always stood for liberalism and equality. However recent findings have made me reconsider my position.
According to my readings in Wikipedia and other sources the KKK was founded by Democrats while The Republicans were abolitionist. Can you guys as Americans what was what really went down back then? When did the side switching happened and did it really happened?

Well, to only answer part of the question, the Republican party isn't a racist organization however I'd say a majority of racists probably consider themselves Republicans.   
Yeah I should have said an Organization with a somewhat large portion of racist members.. Not the majority though just a number of them. :)
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 12:13:20 pm »
if you ask me..both parties are becoming alike if they already wasn't before
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2010, 08:39:05 am »
Hi, guys. I'll appreciate if you could help me out here.
As a foreigner I've been for years under the impression that the Republican party was this racist organization and had always been that way. In the other hand I always thought the Democratic party always stood for liberalism and equality. However recent findings have made me reconsider my position.
According to my readings in Wikipedia and other sources the KKK was founded by Democrats while The Republicans were abolitionist. Can you guys as Americans what was what really went down back then? When did the side switching happened and did it really happened?

Well, to only answer part of the question, the Republican party isn't a racist organization however I'd say a majority of racists probably consider themselves Republicans.   
Yeah I should have said an Organization with a somewhat large portion of racist members.. Not the majority though just a number of them. :)

No, I'd say it's the majority. And you can add sexist and homophobic to the pile too.
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2010, 10:15:22 am »
Hi, guys. I'll appreciate if you could help me out here.
As a foreigner I've been for years under the impression that the Republican party was this racist organization and had always been that way. In the other hand I always thought the Democratic party always stood for liberalism and equality. However recent findings have made me reconsider my position.
According to my readings in Wikipedia and other sources the KKK was founded by Democrats while The Republicans were abolitionist. Can you guys as Americans what was what really went down back then? When did the side switching happened and did it really happened?

Well, to only answer part of the question, the Republican party isn't a racist organization however I'd say a majority of racists probably consider themselves Republicans.   
Yeah I should have said an Organization with a somewhat large portion of racist members.. Not the majority though just a number of them. :)

No, I'd say it's the majority. And you can add sexist and homophobic to the pile too.

I concur with Redjack.  From my vantage point, whatever may have passed for a "moderate Republican" has, over time, been squeezed into the fringe of party loyalists, while the post-nixon/reagan/bush neo-con culture has become the mainstream identity of the party.. look at how Colin Powell has been treated since he left the Bush White House, especially after his public endorsing of Obama.. Even last year, Michael Steele himself was quoted as saying (i'm paraphrasing) that moderates are welcome to join the GOP, just don't expect to change anything..   ??? That let's me know up front that even if I were simply a fiscal conservative/libertarian to whatever degree, but let's say I don't have a problem with affirmative-action or organized labor, and i'm for lowering the defense budget and putting the money into primary education and for urban reinvestment, I probably don't have much of a place in the "mainstream" ranks of Repub-peeps.. especially among the 'religious' types, the hardliners among my Catholic contemporaries would see me as a recalcitrant backslider for being pro-choice (among other things) and the most hardcore of Evangelical types see me as an Illuminati sympathizer/Vatican apologist/child-molestation advocate by default.. I would respect black repubs a lot more if I heard anything from them that was different from gingrich, buchanan, cheney, rove, robertson, etc... I have my own issues with what I feel is a hyper-centrist culture in contempoary Democrats, but i'll take their general platform vs. what Steele & co. have to offer..
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2010, 01:01:42 pm »
co-signed.
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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2010, 10:06:58 pm »
Given that the framework of the health bill was based on ideas from the NIXON administration, and today's Republicans are calling these ideas socialist/communist/government takeover of government, that says how far right the right has drifted.

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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 08:39:48 am »
Despite previous governors’ refusals, McDonnell issues Confederate history month proclamation
"Who's that out there in th' crowd? Uncle Ruckus..? Glad You Could Make It!!!"

Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) has quietly declared April 2010 Confederate History Month, bringing back a designation in Virginia that his two Democratic predecessors — Mark Warner and Tim Kaine — refused to do.

According to Mr. Roland S. Martin's site
http://www.rolandsmartin.com/blog/index.php/2010/04/06/despite-previous-governors-refusals-mcdonnell-issues-confederate-history-month-proclamation/


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Re: Educate me please... What about the democratic party and the KKK.
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2010, 09:40:56 am »
But does Confederation Day has to be a celebration of sorts or can it be used to show more about the grim  stuff slaves had to go through down south? If the racist bastards think they can parade around in their confederate uniforms dreaming of their so called better times, why don't give them our version of history as well? The rapes, the tortures, the deaths and all those unpleasant things our people suffered and that they would like to rush under the rug.

Just saying. 8)
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 11:34:37 am »
^^^ Re: Virginia, now I have one more state to definitely not relocate to whenever I leave Michigan..
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