Author Topic: Skumbag Leftist Foes of Tea Party Movment Infiltrate Rallies, Skew Media  (Read 11801 times)

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I wonder if this was reported on MSNBC?  These tactics are exactly what I am talking about, regarding the ugliness of what is transpiring today in politics.  Do anything, anything, anything, other than address the real issues. Do whatever you can to discredit "the enemy" by way of lying, cheating, misrepresenting, outright fraud, impersonation, whatever.  The end justifies the means.

Foes of tea party movement to infiltrate rallies

By VALERIE BAUMAN, Associated Press Mon Apr 12, 6:30 pm ET

ALBANY, N.Y. Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.

Jason Levin, creator of http://www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15 tax filing day, when tea party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes.


I'm out of town right now, so have had the luxury of watching cable news (which I don't have at home). Been switching between Fox and MSNBC. It is absolutely insane. The networks are describing two very different worlds. When I go from one to another, I feel I am being transported between disparate parallel universes.

I've actually spent more time watching MSNBC that Fox, because I find it so bizarre. What interests me is the degree the commentary is snippy and disparaging, more focused on ad homonym attack and character assassination than addressing issues. For example, it was reported that McCain said something negative about Obama's nuclear conference, as sidetracking the American Public from the real issues - particularly involving Iran, North Korea, and ... and also the economy.  Agree or disagree (and of course they all disagreed), the idiot panelists (some from respectable "mainstream" newspapers) refused to address the substance of McCain's comments, and instead all start disparagingly psychoanalyzing him as an angry man, a bitter man, etc ...  It was absolutely asinine.  Not one touched on the substance of his comments. And I won't even go to how that network portrays Sarah Palin. Geeze! I feel I'm wading in a sea of condescending sh*t.

At any event, with the continued infiltrations of the Tea Party Rallies by Leftist impostors, no doubt the Media will have the opportunity to disseminate more photos of outlandish signs and videos of offensive conduct.  I wonder ... did MSNBC tell you about this?  (Fox did).  Or will the comrades there just happily carry on?


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My purposes in posting the above, by the way, was not to get into a debate over the Tea Party Protesters or John McCain or Sarah Palin. The purpose of this tidbit was twofold:

1.  Do any of you think it is fine, or do any of you find it disgusting, for Left-wing activists to pretend to be "Tea Party Protesters" with intentionally misspelled signs or offensive messages, to try to create fabricated material for the Media to vilify the Tea Party Movement?

2.  Did any of you even hear about this from MSNBC?  Because, during my time out of town, while in a hotel with cable, I sure didn't hear anything about it from MSNBC.  Hmmm ... I wonder why not?  Maybe I missed it.  Or maybe MSNBC chose not to mention it.   ;)

These are the questions that I'm curious about.  I think both of these questions bear on the issue of political honesty and integrity.  I really am interested in reactions to these two questions.

Well, I guess lucky for me, I'm going home tomorrow night.  This "monitoring" of the cable news media is way tooooooo time consuming. and I would way toooooo easily become addicted to it.  It is a trip, however, to have the chance to peek at it, a few times each year, when on business trips.  But these few peeks do reinforce why I chose not to get cable back in the 1980s when we moved to our present home. 

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Is this for real? LOL. What about dumbest plan ever.
Hey everybody I'm going to infiltrate the tea party to destroy it from inside and my first step is to tell everyone what I'm about to do. ::)
Don't get fooled by the bombs that I get I'm still I'm still Saddam from Iraq.

michaelintp

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Is this for real? LOL. What about dumbest plan ever.
Hey everybody I'm going to infiltrate the tea party to destroy it from inside and my first step is to tell everyone what I'm about to do. ::)

Ha ha, who was it who said that people on the Left are more intelligent and sophisticated than people on the Right?  One might want to re-think that stereotype, haha.  The point you make is pretty funny, I agree.

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Somehow I'm finding myself unable to summon the outrage or righteous indignation. I think it is more telling, and perhaps more disturbing, that FOX News has actively promoted and continues to promote the Tea Party movement. Of course this blatant support doesn't mean it skewers or slants its coverage, right? Same with a lot of conservative media. It's also funny to me that many conservatives will tell African Americans and others that they are suffering from victimology and to get over it, when conservatives can be some of the biggest whiners and paranoiacs out there.

With FOX as the number one cable news outlet and papers like the Wall Street Journal that don't seem to be going out of business anytime soon, how exactly is the media overwhelmingly liberal and conservative viewpoints not being heard? Not to mention other conservative publications like the Weekly Standard, papers like the Washington Times or the NY Post, talk radio, think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, etc., etc, so this is not conservative media? What about the Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and various other right wing tomes that top the New York Times (the dreaded NYT) best seller lists? These viewpoints are not reaching people?

There is a whole apparatus of right-wing institutions promoting right wing views. The word liberal has become so toxic that most Democrats in office won't even call themselves that anymore, yet somehow these liberals are running wild and controlling the media, academia, etc. And poor conservatives are being targeted and pilloried for their courageous stand for freedom and individual liberty and rights. Unless of course you're a Muslim, gay, and to a large extent a non-white person who doesn't hew to the conservative line, all the people who might not fit under the definition of a 'real' American.

This conservative victimology is all about playing on people (generally white) people's fears, of turning debate into an us v. them strategy to garner votes from the remnants of Nixon's "Silent Majority" or Reagan's "Reagan Democrats". The 'forgotten' white lower, working, and middle classes, the hard working Americans who have to 'pay' the price of integration, immigration, and whose culture and values are being 'assaulted' by homosexuality and multiculturalism.

You're asking for honesty like there is an equal playing field to begin with; when FOX News had been right-wing from jump. And you're equating the actions, the telegraphed actions, of a few people, with some real or alleged violent behavior and hate speech from people aligned with the Tea Party. It sounds like its nothing more than being overblown to give the Tea Party cover when one of their followers finally does go too far off the deep end. Then the conservative spinmeisters can point to this story and say, "See, it wasn't us, it was those liberal infiltrators." Without really exploring the root of this anger and admitting that some of it, not all, is racially inspired.

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So EmperorJones, do you believe that these tactics of infiltration are justified under the circumstances?

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So EmperorJones, do you believe that these tactics of infiltration are justified under the circumstances?

Michael,

Personally I could care less. I don't think this is a wide-spread issue or that it will warp the Tea Party's message. IMO, the Tea Party is being fueled already by a warped message and/or misdirected anger. I'm speculating that a significant number of Tea Party supporters were also "Birthers" who questioned President Obama's citizenship and there was a recent poll about some 20% of conservative leaning people who believed Obama was the Anti-Christ. And it is a good number of Tea Party supporters who declare Obama is a socialist, Hitler, a tyrant, a cult leader, etc., instead of debating the issues rationally and respectfully. Instead, some put on their Paul Revere hats and Betsy Ross dresses and declare they are 'patriots', which implies to me that anyone who doesn't agree with them, is not. And of course FOX News last year with their terrorist fist bump, their Obama-Osama 'mix up', calling Michelle Obama a 'baby mama', and harping on William Ayres, all have helped seed this kind of anger that can make wacky ideas sound plausible. And the more you try to debate or combat that wackiness, some people get defensive and burrow in like ticks.


Furthermore I think 'media bias' is a two-way street, but conservatives are the only ones, and skillfully let me add, that are turning this issue into something to rally their supporters. MSNBC trends left, big surprise. But they don't lie about it, unlike FOX which doesn't know the first thing about being 'fair and balanced'. CNN tries to be in the middle, IMO, or I can concede maybe left-of-center. But the idea that the conservatives are these little lambs being torn from pillar to post by a rabid liberal media is absurd. Conservative media is ascendant, and has been for at least the last 20 years. Liberal Air America has bitten the dust but unfortunately right wing radio is still blossoming. Conservative pundits/analysts have opinion columns in every newspaper in the country, if not having sway on the editorial boards or the owners of the paper, and there are straight up conservative newspapers, not to mention FOX News. Even 'ultra-liberal' MSNBC has Joe Scarborough on in the morning, with a weak 'liberal' co-host. And Pat Buchanan gets to pretty much say what he wants, with little push back, on that network.

Once again, liberals are so afraid to call themselves that they've taken to calling themselves progressives. That's how much the right has won the message war since the 70s-80s. And with Glenn Beck now going whole hog against progressivism, the liberals will probably search for a new name sometime soon.

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I agree with Francisco's comment that not only is this "plan" dumb, I don't see how it is executable.  How do you make fun of the Tea Party?  How do you make them appear more outrageous or more absurd than they are? 

But to answer your second question, I have not heard of this story anywhere but here. And I don't think it's because of some vast left wing media conspiracy. 

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So EmperorJones, do you believe that these tactics of infiltration are justified under the circumstances?

Michael,

Personally I could care less. I don't think this is a wide-spread issue or that it will warp the Tea Party's message. IMO, the Tea Party is being fueled already by a warped message and/or misdirected anger. I'm speculating that a significant number of Tea Party supporters were also "Birthers" who questioned President Obama's citizenship and there was a recent poll about some 20% of conservative leaning people who believed Obama was the Anti-Christ. And it is a good number of Tea Party supporters who declare Obama is a socialist, Hitler, a tyrant, a cult leader, etc., instead of debating the issues rationally and respectfully. Instead, some put on their Paul Revere hats and Betsy Ross dresses and declare they are 'patriots', which implies to me that anyone who doesn't agree with them, is not. And of course FOX News last year with their terrorist fist bump, their Obama-Osama 'mix up', calling Michelle Obama a 'baby mama', and harping on William Ayres, all have helped seed this kind of anger that can make wacky ideas sound plausible. And the more you try to debate or combat that wackiness, some people get defensive and burrow in like ticks.


Furthermore I think 'media bias' is a two-way street, but conservatives are the only ones, and skillfully let me add, that are turning this issue into something to rally their supporters. MSNBC trends left, big surprise. But they don't lie about it, unlike FOX which doesn't know the first thing about being 'fair and balanced'. CNN tries to be in the middle, IMO, or I can concede maybe left-of-center. But the idea that the conservatives are these little lambs being torn from pillar to post by a rabid liberal media is absurd. Conservative media is ascendant, and has been for at least the last 20 years. Liberal Air America has bitten the dust but unfortunately right wing radio is still blossoming. Conservative pundits/analysts have opinion columns in every newspaper in the country, if not having sway on the editorial boards or the owners of the paper, and there are straight up conservative newspapers, not to mention FOX News. Even 'ultra-liberal' MSNBC has Joe Scarborough on in the morning, with a weak 'liberal' co-host. And Pat Buchanan gets to pretty much say what he wants, with little push back, on that network.

Once again, liberals are so afraid to call themselves that they've taken to calling themselves progressives. That's how much the right has won the message war since the 70s-80s. And with Glenn Beck now going whole hog against progressivism, the liberals will probably search for a new name sometime soon.

Great post, EJ.
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EmperorJones, thanks for your thoughts. If I am understanding you correctly, you could care less if Left-wingers infiltrate Tea Party Rallies to impersonate Tea Party Protesters, in order to create offensive incidents. Clearly some Progressive activists do think it is a fine tactic.

Also, the use of the label "Progressive" is used by folk who are more to the Left of Liberals. Progressives mocked Liberals in the 1960s. They bashed men like LBJ and Hubert Humphrey. So I don't think you can point the finger at Conservatives for turning "Liberal" into a term of disparagement. That honor goes to the folk on the Left as much as it goes to folk on the Right.

On the Media point:  I believe you overstate the "power" of Conservatives in the Mainstream Media. During the last election, even SNL mocked the Mainstream Media for its fawning over Barack Obama. Now, are you saying that Saturday Night Live is also hotbed of Conservative Radicalism?  Or did the writers at SNL have a point?  

But, also, it may be (no doubt is) that when I watch MSNBC (which clearly chose not report the "Leftist infiltration of Tea Party Rallies" story, given their ideological bias) the behavior of the anchors strikes me as absurd. This may be a sensitivity to people expressing points of view that one disagrees with, in the same way that when a "Progressive" watches Fox News, they have a similar reaction. Though when I was switching between the two stations, it sure seemed to me that more "news stories" were being covered by Fox, while more outright opinion/commentary was being offered on MSNBC.  May have just been a fluke, and while part of it may have been my subjective perception, my own "bias" doesn't explain all of it. Did strike me as odd when, on the morning MSNBC news show, the host and guests (all journalists) started psychoanalyzing John McCain as "angry" and "bitter," instead of addressing the substance of his criticism of the nuclear summet.

Reginald, depending on what news sources you regularly rely on, I am not surprised that you had not heard of this story. As I say, MSNBC clearly chose not to run it. Which, given the agenda of that network, is not surprising. Choosing not to cover certain stories, as well as choosing to cover others, is one way that the Media exercise its bias.

Reginald, while I understand you think the infiltration is pointless, are you troubled by it as a tactic?  I think I could guess your answer, but I don't wish to speak for you.

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I actually don't watch MSNBC as much as you think.  I have to take a break from all the news cycles regardless of source because at the end of the day, IT'S ALL SHOW BUSINESS no matter what end of the political spectrum you're on.  Their job is to create enough crisis that you keep watching, which skews the news that they are reporting.  CNN, Fox, MSNBC are all guilty of this.  It's as if the Weather Channel said "it's a disaster outside!  Stay in and KEEP WATCHING!".

As for this "infiltration" thing, it's so minor and bush league I can't muster up enough energy to care about it.  If someone was flying a plane into the RNC that would be one thing, or if armed men were standing around threatening to kill Michael Steele, or people were spitting on Republican members of Congress, I guess I would care more. 

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I agree with Francisco's comment that not only is this "plan" dumb, I don't see how it is executable.  How do you make fun of the Tea Party?  How do you make them appear more outrageous or more absurd than they are?  




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As for this "infiltration" thing, it's so minor and bush league I can't muster up enough energy to care about it.  If someone was flying a plane into the RNC that would be one thing, or if armed men were standing around threatening to kill Michael Steele, or people were spitting on Republican members of Congress, I guess I would care more. 

Hmmm ... not the answer I would have expected. I wasn't really asking you about the depth of your emotion on the topic, just whether or not you condemn such conduct. Sounds like, while you think such tactics are bush league, you don't really care, and maybe even give the perpetrators a pass.  No matter how dishonest their conduct is. I understand that some folk believe that their goals are so noble that any means used to realize them are justified.  But really ... do you actually refuse to condemn folk who engage in that kind of conduct, impersonating their opponents to create Media incidents?

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How many Tea Party rallies were there?

Assuming 100 man rallies at every city/town (and that's what the New York rally looked like to me-I've seen bigger student rallies and union strikes) you'd have to have to send nearly your entire 65 man crew to make a visible dent in any one of them. 

You would have to be damn near retarded to think that that would do any good. And considering the high risk of personal injury, you would have to be worse than retarded to carry it out.

This has hoax written all over it.

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I don't get your point, Mike.  Exactly what were these protestors doing or saying to make the Tea Party people look stupid?