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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2010, 01:22:53 pm »
"Samurai, all jokes aside...What the HELL are you talking about?  White cops?!  Racial profiling?!  I don't understand what that has to do with your childish, ill-informed opinion of how Halle Berry won her Oscar.  Do you even understand how the Academy Awards work?  Obviously not because you actually seem to believe that an actress can get one by simulating sex onscreen.  It's the Academy Awards, brother, not the AVN Awards!  :D"

Do you f*cking understand anything or are you really that stupid? There was no f*cking FACTUAL PROOF ABOUT ALOT THINGS. You just know that it's truth cause of common sense & someone personally witnessing it. There was racial profiling b4 Rodney King getting his ass beat but you prolly say "there no factual proof tho, cause white media never talk about." Do you know how white hollywood works?

I guess not, you likely think that white people get more jobs based on the fact that there are more white ppl in America then black ppl  ::). HOW COME HALLE BERRY DIDN'T AN OSCAR FOR OTHER ROLES SHE DID???? That's her first scene f*cking a white man and boom she own an oscar........you can't be that blind and stupid to not see that.

"What facts?  You've posted a sum total of Zero facts on this subject.  All you've posted are speculative race based fantasies.  You accuse one Black filmmaker of promoting white supremacy because he makes films that clearly make you uncomfortable on a deep racial level.  Then you turn around and tap dance around the color issues and buffoonery of another Black filmmaker just because he employs a lot of Black talent. Mr. Brown's broad, ethnic based clowning and emasculated Black males in drag are the direct result of a mind affected by white supremacy."

Do you even watch movies and not see the bullsh*t? Deep racial level??? LMAO, you can clearly f*cking see the white supremacy in it, it's not subliminal at all. I guess Mr. Brown remind you of yourself based on your stupid logic that you're using toward me  ::). Tyler Perry show all type of black ppl. I liked the fact he also show strong black women.

"Right.  And that's the problem with the Madea movies.  Perry wants the audience to laugh it up at a character that is obviously a man dressed as an older black woman.  Madea gets all the best lines and gets to pull pistols on people and fight the police and have all these absurd comic moments.  Then, when Perry wants to get "serious", he needs the audience to suspend their disbelief and accept this drag character as an actual woman of great wisdom.  See, that doesn't work and kinda insults the intelligence of the audience and the work of the artists onscreen.  He tries to have it both ways and it doesn't work....well I mean, it doesn't work for those non-LCD audience members who aren't die hard fans. ;D  Perry apologists like to point at Flip Wilson's Geraldine and Martin Lawrence's Sheneneh as other examples of Black comics with popular drag characters, but that's a lame comparison.  Wilson and Lawrence never tried to shoehorn their outrageous characters into realistic situations.  Geraldine and Sheneneh existed solely in clear, sitcom-ish worlds.  Perry wants us to accept Madea as a wizened old matriarch."

Madea is rarely in the damn movies. IT'S f*ckING COMEDY DRAMA!!! It's work fine & it pretty unique it not anyway insulting the audience.  You just clearly have a personal vendetta against the man. You keep personal attacking Tyler Perry, which is pointless in this argument.  
 
"See, like many Perry apologists and Stans, you're in denial.  Lee stops at "A Spike Lee Joint".  Perry has to list and re-list himself in his opening credits to remind us all how great he believes he is.  I'll be interested to see if he puts his name over "For Colored Girls..."

LOL, I am not even a stan, jackass. I already told you, I am bigger Spike Lee fan then Perry. Blah, Blah, just accept the truth that I am right about Spike Lee & TYler Perry doing same thing promoting themselves.

"In what way is Diddy talented?  Can he rap?  Please.  Sing? Yeah, no.  Act? Ha!  He's a good dancer, I guess, but that's a prerequisite in what passes for Black music these days.  He's great at self promotion and getting paid off the talent of others.  If you consider that "extremely talented", then that says a lot about you."

He flip samples that been done to death and made them into hits again. He is an excellent promoter, businessman. You know he help groom artists like Biggie, Mase, LOX, etc. right? If it so easy to do it, why don't you do the same??? I don't even like samples and diddy but to say he aint talented, is just retarded.

"ummm...ok... ???"

*Sigh*, You use an already famous person to promote an unknown character. Music: Cam'ron introduce Dipset. Movie: Predator 2 introduce us to that Danny Glover character, TV Show: Cobsy Show introduce us to Denise Huxtable which lead to her spin off "A Different World." Videogame: Devil May Cry 2 introduce us to Lucia, etc. if you still don't get it.......then too bad.  
 
"Oddly, I don't believe you.  LOL! You haven't even seen School Daze.  Have you seen She's Gotta Have It?  You probably also haven't seen Malcolm X because...wait for it...it's got racist whites in it using the dreaded N-word!!!!!!  So, according to Afro Samurai logic, Spike Lee promoted white supremacy by making Malcolm X."

Malcom X, Crooklyn (one of my fav.), Do the Right Thing, Girl 6, Jungle Fever, The Original Kings of Comedy, He Got Game, Tales from the Hood, Bamboozled, etc.

I didn't know not seeing 1 movie = me not being a huge Spike Lee fan. I prolly didn't, Malcom X is one my fav. movie and should had won an oscar. Just b/c someone doesn't see your fav "Spike Lee" movie doesn't mean that they aren't a fan. God, man you're a such a groupie. Guy, you can't even comprehend half of the stuff of what I am saying (which is hella simple), so don't go making up bullsh*t.  

"How was she a modern slave?  Did she work for white people for no pay?  Was she denied an education, or the right to marry?  ::)"

She was so horny, that she slept with a racist white man that killed her black man. They did that alot during the slavery era of black folks. Not the horny part, but the rest.....and the "slept" was most of the time, "rape."

"Decipher this sentence for me, would ya?  I think you're trying to say that a white creator wouldn't be criticized by black people for creating a Mr. Brown type character if he created other black characters as well.  If that's what that sentence meant, nonsense.  It's 2010.  We've got presidents, lawyers, surgeons, cops, etc.  We should be WAAY past creating fools like Mr. Brown."

FINALLY, U UNDERSTAND SOMETHING!!!! He is a f*cking deacon & he is super nice. If he was servant, I'll understand your point, but he isn't.  

"What?  You need to go back and look at all of his films again.  You sound like all those Spike Lee critics who claim he talks about race too much.  He's only actually made three films that deal specifically with race.  Do the Right Thing, Jungle Fever, and Bamboozled.  Your ignorance of his catalog is sad.  Lee has been making films about "our world", as you put it, since his college days."

Malcom X wasnt about race? Crooklyn didn't have annoying white neighbor? LMAO, you clearly are slow. I don't care for non black ppl in movies, videogames, etc. so that my one problem with some of his films.

"What does
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Spike Lee could had black ppl in white faces...yadda yadda
even mean? Putting black actors in whiteface like Bamboozled in reverse?  I hope that's not what you meant because that's asinine."[/i]

You're the idiot who didn't HAVE NO CLUE ON HOW TO MAKE A FILM ABOUT RACISM WITHOUT WHITE PPL. THAT WHAT I EXACTLY MEAN. For a movie maker, I can't believe you COULDN'T EVEN THINK OF THIS!!! The black characters could just also talk about them & not show white ppl at all. But you want a serious whiteface play?

http://www.dramatists.com/cgi-bin/db/single.asp?key=634

A Day of Absence is an excellent play with whiteface actors.

  
"There's no visceral impact in having a movie where bunch of Black actors sit around and talk about racism just to prevent offending sensitive e-militants.  That's not cinema, that's documentary.
Why should Jungle Fever never have been made?  Because it offends your delicate racial sensibilities?  How old are you?  :D"


LOL, a talent filmmaker can do it. Spike Lee could do it & lol@your limited vison. Interracial relationship is a sin and I don't wanna see that bullsh*t in movies.

"So, Spike and other Black filmmakers making integrated films because we live in an integrated world is a "dumb ass excuse".  Dog, seriously...how old are you? :D"

So: Kickass, Juno, Friends, That 70's Show, etc. could be all white films/shows but we need white ppl in black films cause we lived in an "integrated world".....double standard ftw....dog r you really f*cking that retard?? You don't know how white hollywood work, clearly you don't. You can't be that stupid & retard. You just are being this way, to piss me off. If i make a film about my life all of my friends, family member & girlfriends are black...........again, you don't know sh*t. Newave SandStorm comic, Both Kirkou movies, African Tales movie, etc. are all black casts stuff & are very good.

Again, a racist white person would love play to as a kkk. The best way for black empowerment is just to get everyone working on the project TO BE BLACK.  

"I was joking earlier, but you really are a Stan."

Dude you're just a joke. You can't comprehend anything & think white hollywood is equal.

"See, now you're making sh*t up.  I liked Precious.  Didn't love it.  Not a fan."


You're defending it like your life is on the line. You're a Precious groupie.

"Lemme ask you a question Afro Samurai. Why is it ok for Perry to have, by your own admission, color issues and not be a "sell out", but Daniels has to be some great and evil promoter of white supremacy because he made a couple of movies you don't like?"


I also said Spike Lee has color issues as well. Good sh*t, not putting it in there. Cause Tyler feature black leads and mostly black cast. Lee on the otherhand rarely do it. And it not "just a couple of movies" he did that bs for all of his movies.    

"Black folks kill me with all this "hating" childishness.  Boyd or any Perry critic can't have an opinion.  They can't see flaws in an creator's work and express them publicly.  Nope.  They have to be 'hating'.  That's the most infantile idea this hip hop generation has created."


LOL, black ppl killed me with hating on a fellow black person making it but don't hate on the white devils. Field negros are mad at the house negro making it but won't dare raise their hands at massas. Boyd is an old ass hater who want attention. You can blame that slave mentality on your grandparents, voodoo. LOL@hiphop getting another blame for something they didn't do.    

"Show of hands...

How many of you saw "Why Did I Get Married Too"?

A new low for Mr. Perry.  No hate, just straight up logical criticism.

 Cheesy Cheesy"


Good sh*t, asking about 50 active people here who saw his movie. LOL, y don't you go ask the millions of ppl who did? Yeah, now you're hating, how many ppl saw your movie??? "No hate, just straight up logical criticism."
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2010, 01:31:02 pm »
I don't know about people just dissin' Tyler Perry for no reason...there's plenty of reason there.  I've seen a grand total of two of his movies and an episode or two of House of Payne.  I must say, I'm not a fan.  I don't knock those that like his films, I just find them a little too simplistic and preachy.  This is from a guy that just goes to the movies to be entertained, who doesn't want to think too much...and I think his movies are simplistic.  Anyhow, yes...Mr. Brown is a poster boy for coonery...Tyler Perry as Madea makes me cringe, but his business model has made him a boatload of cash and he can probably say that he did it all himself.

Good sh*t, naming yourself a crackhead then bitching about black stereotypes being shown by Tyler Perry. LOL@your stupid opinions on Tyler perry stuff. But, hey have a good time hating for no good reasons.
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2010, 01:35:59 pm »
Finding his movies "a little too simplistic and preachy" is hating now?

Denzel and Viola Davis won Best Actor and Actress for Fences BTW.
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2010, 04:29:51 pm »
I am in agreement that Lee Daniels is far more egregrious. At least Perry's movies generally end on a hopeful note and have characters that are resourceful and have faith or find it by the end of the film, or if not faith, family and/or love of some sort. I think Perry has used stereotyping, but so has Spike Lee.

Though Do the Right Thing gets praised to the high heavens, almost every black person in the movie was portrayed in a negative light. Mookie was lazy and trying to get over, Buggin' Out was doing just that, the old black men sitting on their asses complaining about the industrious Korean guy, Radio Raheem walking through the hood like a black brute, etc. Spike has blown up stereotypes or turned them inside out with movies like Bamboozled, but he has also employed them from time to time.

I don't think Perry is perfect however, he has a colorism issue IMO. Too many of his villains are dark skinned and the heroes are light, pertaining to the male characters. Don't know what's up with that.

Woah, woah, woah!   :D

Lee Daniels' pieces may be dark and dreary, but that's reality for a lot people.  Most situations don't end up with a light skinned blue collar worker swooping in to save our poor, but STRONG BLACK WOMAN heroine off her feet and taking her to an obligatory church service!  :D :D :D

And let's not get it twisted; Perry is currently the biggest mainstream offender of showcasing Black stereotypes.  Spike Lee may have less than positive characters in his films, but that's kinda the point.  No one in Do The Right Thing was supposed to be "the good guy or the bad guy".  The film works on a much more complex level than that.  People are complicated animals.  No one is all good or or all bad.  No character in any Spike Lee movie even comes close to these clowns:


I just looked at this. VC, how many black people are raped by their fathers, molested by their mothers, and have two kids by the father, quit high school, contract HIV, and then are helped by kindly white and biracial people to just get near passing (but not passing) an academic test? I think that Precious is just as unrealistic as many Tyler Perry films. Just because it is dark and dreary doesn't make it more 'real'. I think sometimes we associate the negative with being more real pertaining to the black experience. Whereas its a mix of the light and dark moments that make up our lives. We shouldn't ignore the "Precious's" among us, but we certainly shouldn't use Precious as any real gauge for how the vast majority of African American teenage girls are living. She's not that representative. There might be aspects of her life that reverberate with black girls and perhaps black boys as well, not to mention adults, but the movie was clusterf*ck of pathology. Just like the 'real' movies of my youth, like Menace II Society didn't represent all my experiences-I wasn't Kane or O-Dog, though I could relate to certain things.

I never said Perry didn't trade in stereotypes but he also shows a variety of black life and his heroines usually meet their challenges, eventually, and are not pin cushions like Precious.

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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2010, 04:35:14 pm »
Show of hands...

How many of you saw "Why Did I Get Married Too"?

A new low for Mr. Perry.  No hate, just straight up logical criticism.

 :D :D

I saw it. I didn't like it. I did like the first one though. It wound up being my favorite Tyler Perry film.

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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2010, 05:16:14 pm »
Afro Samurai...
I was going to go into this long ass, point-by-point dissection of your poorly thought out ideas until I saw this piece of insanity:

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Interracial relationship is a sin and I don't wanna see that bullsh*t in movies.

Wow.  Really?



 

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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2010, 05:59:49 pm »

I just looked at this. VC, how many black people are raped by their fathers, molested by their mothers, and have two kids by the father, quit high school, contract HIV, and then are helped by kindly white and biracial people to just get near passing (but not passing) an academic test? I think that Precious is just as unrealistic as many Tyler Perry films.

Granted, Precious is thick with issues, but that was also a criticism of the book the film is adapted from.  I meant that for most people living under such dire circumstances, there is no neat happy ending...no light skinned man to swoop in and sweep the heroine of her feet...no church service so magical that everything untangles itself by the credit roll.

Just because it is dark and dreary doesn't make it more 'real'.  I think sometimes we associate the negative with being more real pertaining to the black experience. Whereas its a mix of the light and dark moments that make up our lives. We shouldn't ignore the "Precious's" among us, but we certainly shouldn't use Precious as any real gauge for how the vast majority of African American teenage girls are living. She's not that representative. There might be aspects of her life that reverberate with black girls and perhaps black boys as well, not to mention adults, but the movie was clusterf*ck of pathology. Just like the 'real' movies of my youth, like Menace II Society didn't represent all my experiences-I wasn't Kane or O-Dog, though I could relate to certain things.

It's more real if that's the situation created by the author.  Show us a story about incest, abuse, illiteracy, etc. and yeah, it kinda needs to be dark and dreary if we are to take it seriously.  Lightening it up with inappropriate bits of broad comedy does the story a disservice and insults the intelligence of the viewer.  I don't think that Precious was meant to be representative of anything other than the character itself.  People assigning more importance to it do so of their own will.  You mentioned Menace II Society.  The filmmakers went on record saying that they just wanted to make a good gangster movie, not some treatise on young Black life in S. Central.   


I never said Perry didn't trade in stereotypes but he also shows a variety of black life and his heroines usually meet their challenges, eventually, and are not pin cushions like Precious.

I don't know about that.  Jill Scott's character in Why Did I Get Married was a doormat until the sheriff stepped in.  Angela Basset needed Rick Fox and the Brown's to help her out of her situation in Meet the Browns.  Taraji Henson needed that dude from CSI Miami to help her find her center.  Let's not even get into the pathology of Why Did I Get Married Too or The Family that Preys. 
Perry at best pays lip service to his strong black heroines.

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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2010, 07:22:44 pm »
Afro Samurai...
I was going to go into this long ass, point-by-point dissection of your poorly thought out ideas until I saw this piece of insanity:

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Interracial relationship is a sin and I don't wanna see that bullsh*t in movies.

Wow.  Really?




 

It is, only retards like u think otherwise. Why don't you married a white bitch, have ugly mutt kids and praise a cracka jesus. Sell out!  What poorly on how slow you can't comprehend of the most of the sh*t i am saying. You wasn't doing a "point-by-point dissection" at all, stop lying. Ah well, keep selling out. BLACK POWA 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!! LOL@you standing by your white lady while hating on black men. I always say that in most of posts. 
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2010, 07:24:55 pm »
Finding his movies "a little too simplistic and preachy" is hating now?

Denzel and Viola Davis won Best Actor and Actress for Fences BTW.

Bitch, would you stfu already? All you is stalk me with ur lame ass opinions. I already body you with the truth b4. I'll be glad to do it again. This is why interracial relationships should be not legal again.   
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2010, 08:22:21 pm »
I don't know about people just dissin' Tyler Perry for no reason...there's plenty of reason there.  I've seen a grand total of two of his movies and an episode or two of House of Payne.  I must say, I'm not a fan.  I don't knock those that like his films, I just find them a little too simplistic and preachy.  This is from a guy that just goes to the movies to be entertained, who doesn't want to think too much...and I think his movies are simplistic.  Anyhow, yes...Mr. Brown is a poster boy for coonery...Tyler Perry as Madea makes me cringe, but his business model has made him a boatload of cash and he can probably say that he did it all himself.

Good sh*t, naming yourself a crackhead then bitching about black stereotypes being shown by Tyler Perry. LOL@your stupid opinions on Tyler perry stuff. But, hey have a good time hating for no good reasons.


LOL...whatever...I may have renamed my account like a fictional crackhead, but you're up on this board acting like one.  All this fake outrage an internet thuggery.  Please.  I don't usually waste my time with idiots like you, but I had a few minutes tonight. 

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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2010, 09:30:17 pm »
Afro Samurai...
I was going to go into this long ass, point-by-point dissection of your poorly thought out ideas until I saw this piece of insanity:

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Interracial relationship is a sin and I don't wanna see that bullsh*t in movies.

Wow.  Really?




 

It is, only retards like u think otherwise. Why don't you married a white bitch, have ugly mutt kids and praise a cracka jesus. Sell out!  What poorly on how slow you can't comprehend of the most of the sh*t i am saying. You wasn't doing a "point-by-point dissection" at all, stop lying. Ah well, keep selling out. BLACK POWA 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!! LOL@you standing by your white lady while hating on black men. I always say that in most of posts. 


you need to leave. and see a psychiatrist. today.
Soon you will come to know. When the bullet hits the bone.

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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2010, 12:16:18 am »
I don't know about people just dissin' Tyler Perry for no reason...there's plenty of reason there.  I've seen a grand total of two of his movies and an episode or two of House of Payne.  I must say, I'm not a fan.  I don't knock those that like his films, I just find them a little too simplistic and preachy.  This is from a guy that just goes to the movies to be entertained, who doesn't want to think too much...and I think his movies are simplistic.  Anyhow, yes...Mr. Brown is a poster boy for coonery...Tyler Perry as Madea makes me cringe, but his business model has made him a boatload of cash and he can probably say that he did it all himself.

Good sh*t, naming yourself a crackhead then bitching about black stereotypes being shown by Tyler Perry. LOL@your stupid opinions on Tyler perry stuff. But, hey have a good time hating for no good reasons.


LOL...whatever...I may have renamed my account like a fictional crackhead, but you're up on this board acting like one.  All this fake outrage an internet thuggery.  Please.  I don't usually waste my time with idiots like you, but I had a few minutes tonight. 

LOL, how I am acting like a thug & crackhead when I am spreading powerful black messages? Yeah, you're stupid one. All this fake smartness while you 4ever be an idiot. 
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2010, 12:18:34 am »
Afro Samurai...
I was going to go into this long ass, point-by-point dissection of your poorly thought out ideas until I saw this piece of insanity:

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Interracial relationship is a sin and I don't wanna see that bullsh*t in movies.

Wow.  Really?




 

It is, only retards like u think otherwise. Why don't you married a white bitch, have ugly mutt kids and praise a cracka jesus. Sell out!  What poorly on how slow you can't comprehend of the most of the sh*t i am saying. You wasn't doing a "point-by-point dissection" at all, stop lying. Ah well, keep selling out. BLACK POWA 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!! LOL@you standing by your white lady while hating on black men. I always say that in most of posts. 


you need to leave. and see a psychiatrist. today.

You need to stfu and leave right now. Only sell out waste of lives like you would think that. Does your useless self even write about black stuff??? LOL, I guess not. Have a good time being the white supremacy's bitch. I always say interracial relationships is a sin. It not my fault, you retards can't read. 
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2010, 07:04:09 am »
VC,

I think you're giving Daniels a pass that you're not giving Perry. If Daniels or Sapphire have the right to craft the story the way the won't, why doesn't Perry? You keep referencing the men who save the women in Perry's films. You're ignoring the women making the choice to change their lives for themselves, or even to be saved. You act like they are just sitting around and then some dude comes in and lifts them up. I don't see it that way. The guys help them out sometimes, but it's a partnership. The women also add something to the men's lives. Even if Perry is paying lip service to strong black heroines (I think he's attempting to do more than that), at least he's making an attempt. How many other mainstream films can claim the same? Also, you seem to ping Perry for his colorism while ignoring Precious's rank colorism.

Perhaps you have an issue that Perry is mainstream while Daniels hasn't quite hit the mainstream yet, despite the splash that Precious made, the Oscar that Halle netted for Monster's Ball, and I'm sure he'll get a lot of attention and praise for the Selma movie he's supposed to do. Precious did some 'lighter' moments by the way, particularly with the students and I don't think it did a disservice to the film. There are a lot of dramas that use humor to lighten the load. I think Precious though was a bit of a pile on. I mean, a good, 'serious' movie could've been made tackling just one of the myriad of issues they hit Precious with. It just got to the point that it was so bad that I had to roll my eyes. When she got HIV, I was like, damn, come on now. What else is going to happen to her? I thought she was going to get hit by a truck next or something. Well, that will probably be the opening shot of Precious 2: Still Struggling.

Granted that life doesn't end or go happily for a lot of people, though Hollywood isn't representative of real life, as you and I both know. There is a great bit of fantasy, vicarious living, and image making that Hollywood engages in or provides. If you only get x amount of movies 'about' blacks or starring blacks, I would like to see more content than Precious, a movie that was a checklist of 'black' pathology. When Daniels made the Woodsman, about a white pedophile, played by Kevin Bacon, Hollywood didn't give a damn, but let Halle get banged out or show an obese black woman stealing fried chicken, and now this is an important movie, a must see. I'm not saying Daniels shouldn't make those movies, or Sapphire write those books, but what I would like to see in general is more variety in the representations of black people and black life in Hollywood. I do think media programs or warps the brains of folks and gives a stunted view of what black people and black life are about. Precious didn't help that. Precious was exhausting and beat you down, Perry's films take the characters and audiences through the wringer but at least leave them with a little hope and positive, conclusive transformation at the end. Though Precious had changed personally, to some extent, her circumstances were still dire, and her colorism was never addressed.

Of course this whole 'argument' we're having is probably moot since Perry produced Precious and seemed to have no problems with what it portrayed.
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Re: Why August Wilson Was No Tyler Perry
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2010, 11:12:55 am »
Afro Samurai...
I was going to go into this long ass, point-by-point dissection of your poorly thought out ideas until I saw this piece of insanity:

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Interracial relationship is a sin and I don't wanna see that bullsh*t in movies.

Wow.  Really?




 

It is, only retards like u think otherwise. Why don't you married a white bitch, have ugly mutt kids and praise a cracka jesus. Sell out!  What poorly on how slow you can't comprehend of the most of the sh*t i am saying. You wasn't doing a "point-by-point dissection" at all, stop lying. Ah well, keep selling out. BLACK POWA 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!! LOL@you standing by your white lady while hating on black men. I always say that in most of posts.  


you need to leave. and see a psychiatrist. today.

You need to stfu and leave right now. Only sell out waste of lives like you would think that. Does your useless self even write about black stuff??? LOL, I guess not. Have a good time being the white supremacy's bitch. I always say interracial relationships is a sin. It not my fault, you retards can't read.  

LOL.

You're precisely the kind of idiot that the internet seems designed for. You ain't a patch off my ass, little dog. You just bark. And you aren't saying anything.

Frankly, I'm still not sure you're black. You seem like a white racist who created an internet face to spew the sort of ugly, low-end "thoughts" that make the KKKers out there happy. A cartoonish, coonish impression of a black man.

You really need to start thinking before you sit down to write and you REALLY need to shut your mouth while grown folks are talking. You don't add anything to the conversation but bile. Just an ugly, tiny, hate-filled mind.

Be an asset to the collective or begone, son. That's the program. Learn it.

Soon you will come to know. When the bullet hits the bone.