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Re: T'challa is DD????
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2010, 08:37:12 pm »
The NYC thing; it's like Clark Kent's glasses.  It really doesn't work, but we accept that it does.  Or Batman's cape.  No way someone like Bats would wear a cape and move like him, but we accept he does.  Or like Hulk's pants.  No reason the pants stay on, but we accept they do.

So there is no reason everyone operates in NYC except that in the MU, they do.

(Though there was a Quasar story that said a cosmic "abstracts" "kept" super-hero activity locked in NYC for some reason.)

Its just easier for the writers now to keep everthing in one place. It makes crossovers easier to negotiate that way. 

However during the time there was a West Coast Avengers book  L.A. was nearly as big a deal as New York was.

Iron Man was headquartered there (you have to figure he'd want to be near siicon valley)as well as the rest of the Wackos.

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Re: T'challa is DD????
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2010, 12:16:24 am »
In the immortal words of Florida Evans; "Damn! Damn! Daaaaaamn!"

In the immortal words of Shaka Zulu; "The swallows have won, Dingane."

T'Challa, fresh off of a butt-kicking by Doom, is positioned to get that butt kicked by Kingpin and the rest of DD's rogue's gallery. Meanwhile, his marriage to Ororo is as good as over. The x-fans will have their bisexual Ororo back. The LCB-RD will celebrate a Marvel U devoid of any significant relationship or development in the characterization where its two premier black characters are concerned. The Marvel Comics "Tea Party" emerges triumphant.

Not necessarily.

The "success" of this experiment in rendering T'Challa further irrelevant in the MU is dependent on sales.

I'm not spending my hard earned money on this or that Klaws of The Panther aberration that Maberry's about to unleash but I'm sure there'll bge some who'll be only too quick to purchase this garbage.

Marvel/DC will never learn to take the buying power of their non-caucasian patrons seriously until we ourselves recognize the importance of voting with our pockets.

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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2010, 05:23:33 am »
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 

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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2010, 06:39:58 am »
already there is intense vitriol at CBR over this, http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/comment-page-2/#comment-41665

I just have to wonder why some heads call themselves ultra-offended that T'Challa gets to be the hero of Hell's Kitchen..  I wonder if it's.. nahh...   ::)

and for all the folks who "loved the Panther" but "hated" Mr. Reggie's run, they'd better put their money where their mouth is..

..I'd like to see a Panther/Cage team-up mini-series written by Mr. Reggie..
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2010, 06:41:37 am »
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 

Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).

He could do the tracking, dectective work and stuff while she can fry the ninja hordes that get sent to kill them.

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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2010, 06:51:34 am »
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 


Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).

He could do the tracking, dectective work and stuff while she can fry the ninja hordes that get sent to kill them.

already there is intense vitriol at CBR over this, http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/comment-page-2/#comment-41665

I just have to wonder why some heads call themselves ultra-offended that T'Challa gets to be the hero of Hell's Kitchen..  I wonder if it's.. nahh...   ::)

and for all the folks who "loved the Panther" but "hated" Mr. Reggie's run, they'd better put their money where their mouth is..

..I'd like to see a Panther/Cage team-up mini-series written by Mr. Reggie..




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Re: T'challa is DD????
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2010, 07:17:35 am »
<<Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).>>

It has been so long since I've read any of those issues, but I can't say I'd call them street level, but then again, GL is written down often and the Yellow weakness is a big (though stupid if you think about it) weakness. But it has been so long since I read them, I can't say for sure.

Oh, yeah, I think I have had the GL vs Storm debate before. 

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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2010, 07:22:32 am »
<<Vic Vega:  I think Dini said in reply "Fans Hate Change".That sums up everything in a nutshell. >>
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Oh--Fans hate change; except when they like it.  I know that sounds, "well duh", but I mean, when fans do like the change, it's good writing, brillant courageous writer.  When fans don't like the change, then the writer is a hack and the fans who support the hack are mindless.

But sometimes fans on either side, are right.  Sometimes they both are.

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Re: T'challa is DD????
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2010, 07:46:53 am »
already there is intense vitriol at CBR over this, http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/daredevil-to-become-black-panther-the-man-without-fear/comment-page-2/#comment-41665

I just have to wonder why some heads call themselves ultra-offended that T'Challa gets to be the hero of Hell's Kitchen..  I wonder if it's.. nahh...   ::)

and for all the folks who "loved the Panther" but "hated" Mr. Reggie's run, they'd better put their money where their mouth is..

..I'd like to see a Panther/Cage team-up mini-series written by Mr. Reggie..




Now there was a collection of idiotic mouth-breathers taking center stage (present company excepted, Hype!).  The internet sure does make people brave, but we already knew this.  I usually don't comment over there, but I had to after reading the Obama comment.  That stuff is tired.  Most people don't like change, it's human nature to like what's comfortable, but it's also human nature to explore and push the boundaries and comics fans sometimes want to have it both ways.  They want everything familiar to be kept in it's little box, but complain when it gets boring and repetitive...then complain louder when a character-changing shake up occurs.  Go figure.  :-\

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2010, 07:48:52 am »
Anyway as for BP being "DD", I guess it was obvious from the start. First clue IMO was the BP subscription thing where we received DD. Second for some reason they were so adamant in not "revealing" anything. Also since BP was DD in the past and have a great relationship with him.
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2010, 08:12:28 am »
It's gonna be great ;D Great. Great. Great. It's just the start. This is what springs another T'Challa series.

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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2010, 08:15:53 am »
Not necessarily.

The "success" of this experiment in rendering T'Challa further irrelevant in the MU is dependent on sales.

I'm not spending my hard earned money on this or that Klaws of The Panther aberration that Maberry's about to unleash but I'm sure there'll bge some who'll be only too quick to purchase this garbage.

Marvel/DC will never learn to take the buying power of their non-caucasian patrons seriously until we ourselves recognize the importance of voting with our pockets.

Let's hope that the T'Challa, Man Without Fear experiment blows up in the faces of those who concocted it. Maybe the LCB-RD will actually be good for something for a change and decide to turn up their noses en masse at this...project.

I'm looking forward to Klaws Of The Panther as eagerly as a person bitten by a rabid weaselman looks forward to a rabies injection series. Reluctantly, I'm considering purchasing the series only to know exactly what I'm talking about when I deliver my scathing condemnation of it.

Too many non-caucasians and more than a few black patrons as well can always be counted on to split such a vote. I do not and have not for quite some time now, purchase comicbooks featuring white characters only. Luke Cage heads the Avengers and the T-Bolts. I know this only because of reading forums such as this one. I haven't purchased a Spider-Man, Thor, Iron Man, Avengers, X-Men, Superman, Batman, etc... comic in well over a year. In the case of Thor, Iron Man, Avengers, X-Men, it's been nigh on a decade since I've purchased a copy, Spider-Man...well over a decade. AND I DON'T MISS THEM AT ALL.

I only purchase books featuring black characters with the occasional incidental white character thrown in. Still, I'm afraid I will be one of those non-caucasians who will split the vote when it comes to Klaws Of the Panther and I hate it. I think Maberry is taking vengeance for all those who complained that the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY was "forced" by forcing his "adjustments and enhancements" on T'Challa, Wakanda, and Shuri. In his interview, Maberry lauds Hudlin for writing a daring story which he used as the foundation for his disaster entitled doomwar. Maberry claims to be a big fan of T'Challa and the Wakandan mythos, but he has done nothing but destroy the character and that mythos since he started writing their stories.

Look at how Maberry disregards what was established before his "improvements and enhancements". From Dark Reign/Black Panther #2. Queen Ororo and the ruling body of Wakanda is setting itself to the task of finding "the next Black Panther". Syan says, "My Queen...? I had assumed that--" Storm cuts Syan short. She tells all gathered that T'Challa's condition makes her Queen of Wakanda, not the next Black Panther candidate by default, explaining that her place is by her husband's side (something the LCB-RD may not have to endure for much longer...damnit).

Storm continues, telling those gathered that to find the new Black Panther they need not leave the room. She said that although it is Bast's decision as to who will be the next Panther (Bast... ::)), that the next Black Panther should be Shuri. Storm describes Shuri as "Someone who has been training her whole life for this moment." Ramonda tries to slow Storm's roll, suggesting to her that perhaps she should take more time to consider all the factors. Storm is firm; "The candidate is named." Later, Storm would put it all out there for Ramonda who tries to persuade Ororo that Shruri is not ready. Storm presents a solid case for why Shuri IS ready and why she is the perfect candidate to be the next Black Panther. She ends her discussion with Ramonda with these words: "Do not cripple your daughter with your doubts."

Shuri was not there to hear Ororo sing her praises, but she has never been anything but respectful and kind to Shuri...firm with Shuri when she charged her with the daunting task of becoming Wakanda's new Black Panther. There is NOTHING at all Maberry can sop up with his beat-the-shiznit-out-of-Wakanda-biscuit to justify any feelings of resentment Shuri is supposed to have for Ororo.

Some of our friends have suggested that Shuri is a "blank slate". I respectfully disagree. Does the following read like Shuri is a "blank slate"? Ororo to Ramonda: "Shuri is Wakandan Royalty, born and bred. Shuri has been trained since birth to be the Panther. She is ready now. She is the child of T'Chaka, the former King of Wakanda and one of the greatest to ever don the habit of the Black Panther. She has enjoyed the same upbringing, education and training as T'Challa. Had he not claimed the mantle first, we would doubtlessly be addressing her as Black Panther today."

Shuri...a "blank slate"? Bullshiznit. Shuri may have seemed clumsy when she offed the Radioactive Man. She had been trained as the Black Panther. She wasn't the Panther then, but she dealt with the Radioactive Man in the manner a Wakandan warrior woman and as a Black Panther warrior queen would have done. Shuri is not a blank slate. Maberry is scrawling his damned graffitti over the clearly established slate of Shuri's character.
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Re: T'challa is DD????
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2010, 10:32:08 am »
 :D :D :D :D :D

Clint Barton was Daredevil at one time? Clint Barton?! Clint, the buffoon, Barton was Daredevil at one time?  :D

Daredevil shouldn't have been able to stand that idiot. Barton once pursued a romantic relationship with the Scarlet Witch only to see Wanda and the Vision begin a love affair. And given the choice between Barton and the Vision, it's not hard to see why the Scarlet Witch would choose a synthetic man over a male blonde bimbo clad in a blue mini-dress with matching headband accessory at that time. Barton. Once a loser, always a loser. He was Daredevil? You are pulling my leg!

So Barton - stung by Wanda's choice of the Vision over him - ditched his mini-dress with matching headband accessory, and returned to his "HAWKEYE, THE MARKSMAN!" costume as if doing so would somehow make him a person of significance. After ditching his dress, Barton ditched the Avengers, pausing briefly on a rooftop to muse the following: "I dunno man...What do I do now? I guess I really didn't love Wanda--but it's so freaking hard to lose again! I got kissed off by the Black Widow three times--first to the commies, then S.H.I.E.L.D., and now Daredevil...Witchie won't give me a tumble...I mean what's wrong with me? I've got looks, I'm fun to talk to...why can't I get it on?"

Why can't he "get it on"...because he's a loser and he knows it. "...kissed off by the Widow 3 times." Barton, sitting on a rooftop moping about losing a woman he didn't really love to a synthetic man. He needs to be slapped, and slapped two times. Having lost Wanda, Barton decides to go after DD's woman, the Black Widow. This is an excellent illustration how fan love for a truly STUPID CHARACTER and writers repeatedly including this stupid character, is able to keep the truly stupid character around. In an attempt to keep Barton relevant, his heroic identity has been changed what...3 times? Barton was Goliath II. Arkon, who was small enough to fit comfortably in the palm of Barton's hand at the time, put Barton in dire peril by applying perfect pressure to one of his pinky fingers causing Barton to muse..."He's MURDERIN' me!" Barton was Ronin. What a waste. I never saw him in action as that character and have no desire to do so. And now I learn from posters to "that other place" that Barton was once Daredevil? He was costumed and functioning as the man whose woman he tried to steal right from under his nose?

The Barton character actually has fans! WTF?!   :D :D
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2010, 10:35:42 am »
Hmmm, suppose this version of T’challa succeeds; even after the initial hype, suppose sales for DarePanther stay high, higher than BP titles have sold.  Then everyone who thought that Wakanda was the “drag” on BP are going to declare themselves right. 
 
Still I can’t figure out where Storm fits in this;  I mean, T I can imagine in a DD title.  Yeah, some rework on both the DD concept and the BP concept, but I can see it.  Storm is not and cannot be a street or ninja hero without a major rewrite on her power level. 

Most of the Green Lantern/Green Arrow adventures were street level and he's far more powerful than Storm is(watch somebody try to argue this too).

He could do the tracking, dectective work and stuff while she can fry the ninja hordes that get sent to kill them.

That's how I'm seeing it. It's Batman and Wonder Woman.

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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2010, 10:45:04 am »
<<The Barton character actually has fans! WTF?!   :D :D>>

Yup and I'm one of them. I mean he's not in my top ten, and doesn't make my "ideal" Avengers team, but still a fan.