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Does the black church keep black women single?
« on: August 11, 2010, 08:16:51 am »
from CNN.COM:

Does the black church keep black women single?

By Liane Membis, CNN
August 10, 2010 11:09 a.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Legs covered in skin-toned stockings, her skirt crisp to the knee, Patty Davis slips on the black heels she has shined for the day.

"Got to look good in the Lord's house," she says as she spritzes her neck with White Diamonds perfume and exits her black Lincoln Town Car.

Davis, 46, of Union City, Georgia, has attended African Methodist Episcopal churches since before she could crawl. She sits proudly in the pew every Sunday for service and is among the first to arrive for bible study each Wednesday.

She moves swiftly, with confidence, a weathered Bible clutched in her right hand, the day's passages dog-eared and highlighted. She's the type of woman who can recite scriptures with ease, her love of faith evident in her speech.

"Every day is a blessed day for me," she says. "Jesus is the No. 1 man in my life and any man who wants me must seek me through Him."

The unmarried Georgia native is a committed follower of the Christian faith, striving to live and breathe the gospel in her daily life. Yet, according to relationship advice columnist Deborrah Cooper, it is this devout style of belief and attachment to the black church that is keeping black women like Davis -- single and lonely.

Clinging to the gospel

Cooper, a writer for the San Francisco Examiner, recently made claims on her blog SurvivingDating.com that predominantly black protestant churches, such as African Methodists, Pentecostal, and certain denominations of Evangelical and Baptist churches are the main reason black women are single. Cooper, who is black and says she is not strictly religious, argues that rigid beliefs constructed by the black church are blinding black women in their search for love.

In raising the issue, Cooper ignited a public conversation about a topic that is increasingly getting attention in the black community and beyond. Oprah Winfrey, among others, recently hosted a show about single black women and relationships after a Yale University study found that 42 percent of African-American women in the United States were unmarried.

Big Miller Grove Missionary Baptist Church, a predominately African-American Baptist church in Atlanta, is holding a seminar on the question of faith's role in marital status on August 20.

"Black women are interpreting the scriptures too literally. They want a man to which they are 'equally yoked' -- a man that goes to church five times a week and every Sunday just like they do," Cooper said in a recent interview.

"If they meet a black man that is not in church, they are automatically eliminated as a potential suitor. This is just limiting their dating pool."

The traditional structure and dynamics of black churches, mostly led by black men, convey submissive attitudes to women, Cooper says, encouraging them to be patient -- instead of getting up and going after what they want.

Nearly ninety percent of African-Americans express "certain belief in God" and 55 percent say they "interpret scripture literally," according to the 2009 Pew Research Center study "A Religious Portrait of African-Americans."

Dr. Boyce Watkins, a professor at Syracuse University and advocate for African-American issues, responded to Cooper's article online. Though he applauded Cooper's courage to voice her opinion , he agreed -- and disagreed -- with her.

"I don't think the church keeps black women single," Watkins says. "But I do agree that some black churches teach women that they must only date a man that goes to church regularly."

Watkins, who is African-American and whose father is a Southern Baptist minister, described his interactions with southern women who are devout churchgoers. "I am a male and I know that I will treat a woman well, but I have been rejected many times because I don't thump a bible with me everywhere that I go."

All in the numbers

One of biggest reasons black women are single, Cooper says, is because of a lack of black men in the church. According to the PEW study, "African-American men are significantly more likely than women to be unaffiliated with any religion (16 percent vs. 9 percent). Nearly one-in-five men say they have no formal religious affiliation."

Watkins believes the social structure of the church keeps black men from attending. "Those appealing, high-testosterone guys have a hard time getting into the 'Follow the leader, give me your money, and listen to what I have to say' attitude."

"Many of us have a difficult time submitting to the pastor who is just another man."

The male pastor, Cooper says, is the "alpha male" for many black women. Over-reverence for the pastor - or any religious figure for that matter - creates barriers for the black man, she says, because he feels like he must compete for the No. 1 spot in a black woman's heart.

"It doesn't make you more attractive if your life is filled with these 'other' men," Cooper says. "If they feel like they have to compete, you are not going to be interesting because you're not feeding his ego in the way it needs to be fed."

Mark K. Forston, son of a black preacher in Forest Park, Georgia, says some black women "put their pastor on this pedestal and have a large amount of faith in him because he is a living source of salvation."

Sometimes women even focus their romantic feelings on the pastor, says Forston. "Regardless if he's married or not, sometimes human desires will transcend beyond certain parameters and that's dangerous territory. Pastors are humans just like anybody else."

The Rev. Renita J. Weems, a bible scholar who holds a degree in theology from Princeton, strongly disagrees with Cooper about why many black women remain single and says she is reinforcing one message: "It's the black woman's fault."

"To claim that women are sitting in their chair getting heated about watching their preacher strut across the pulpit is illogical," Weems says. "The black church is not a Sunday morning sex drama."

Weems, who is African-American and has written several books on women's spirituality, has her own criticisms of the black church. The literal interpretation of certain scriptures can lead to subjugating women, Weems says. However, positive scripture messages, about love and justice, do exist and can be used to empower women rather than keep them "single and lonely."

Weems says Cooper fails to examine deeper threads. "What the black church does and what religion does is helps you create core values for your life and allows you to see what you appreciate in others.

"The reason why black women who go to black churches are not married is because they are looking for certain values in a man," Weems says. "It is not the church that keeps them single, but the simple fact that good values are lacking in some of our men."

Choose or lose the church

Cooper says her goal is to empower black women. If their strategy for meeting men is failing, Cooper offers two suggestions: Find another church or leave-and go where the boys go: tailgates, bars and clubs.

"Black women need to open their eyes. You want to know the reason why the black man isn't in church? Because he left church to go to the Sunday football game," Cooper says. "Going to these sites is discouraged in the black church because these places are seen as places where 'sin dwells.' But if women are compassionate, as the bible preaches they should be, then they need to be more open about the men they choose to date and where they might meet them."

"I'm not against religion, or against the church, I'm against women limiting their choices and putting themselves in a box because they do what their church tells them to do," Cooper says.

Weems disagrees. "Telling black women that they should spend their two hours on Sunday elsewhere and drive them away to go to the bar to find a date is not helpful to our communities."

"Black women are the backbones of their community and without them a lot of charitable work would not get done, social justice on the ground would be diminished and outreach to poor people would be severed."

Patty Davis, the long time churchgoer in Georgia, says all the arguments over what the church preaches miss the point. What truly matters, she says, are women's motives.

"The real question is: What are you coming to church for?" she says. "To feed your spirit? Or your carnal desires?"

The church's effect on the romantic lives of black women cannot be gleaned from a mathematical equation or a select bible passage, Davis says.

"It is a woman's own actions and decisions that will determine the outcome of her love life, not the church's," Davis says. "Because the last time I checked, the church ain't no dating service."

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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2010, 09:14:38 am »
heh-heh... some good points on both sides..  ;)
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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 09:16:21 am »
Obviously the black church helps a lot of people.  But man, it sure isn't helping the diet of black people, it isn't speaking to black men in a way that they respond to...there's a lot of fail there.

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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 07:04:53 pm »
Obviously the black church helps a lot of people.  But man, it sure isn't helping the diet of black people, it isn't speaking to black men in a way that they respond to...there's a lot of fail there.

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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 08:16:58 pm »
Man you can put a lot on the church but thats too damn much now.

Was it so long ago that guys used to go to church to find a certain kind of woman? While its been a while since I last went stuff cant have changed that much.

These articles make me weary. You go by CNN and we should just about be extinct seeing how often they run these sorts of "black women and men cant get along" features.

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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 10:03:58 pm »
Hell no to the topic title. Hell, you can pick up some freaks from black churches...HELL, that's one of the main reason why some ppl only go to church.......I need take my sinful ass back to there  8).
INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS IS A SIN!!!!!! YOU'LL DIE QUICKER AND ALSO BURN IN HELL. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, BITCHES!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 07:37:33 am »
Men can certainly reach women in the church....but does the church attract enough men for it to work as well for women? 

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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 02:19:42 pm »
This is asinine.

What is really happening is that the vast majority of these places are "Churches" in name only. To appeal to the parishoners, you have religous leaders who: pervert, omit, and outight lie about scripture in the name of tithes and offerings.

Black women in many of these churches are being exploited but they have no one to blame but themselves. They are buying into a feminist paradigm that is leaving them lonely, depressed, angry and frankly incapable of maintaining relationships.

If a pastor is truly teaching the word, there will be an equal proportion of men and women and a significant number of the members will be married.

The Bible is clear about the roles of men and women and even more the importance of marriage and family. If a church is producing no fruit, the members should be seeking another house of worship.

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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 07:17:08 pm »
Jefferson-- I'm curious.. how much can be found in scripture about tithing and such?  also, how much/if anything is in there that directly indicates that a pastor/priest must be X-degree wealthier than their community?
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Re: Does the black church keep black women single?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 10:26:29 pm »
Jefferson-- I'm curious.. how much can be found in scripture about tithing and such?  also, how much/if anything is in there that directly indicates that a pastor/priest must be X-degree wealthier than their community?

I have been corrected on this by several people and I've come to admit that they are absolutely correct.

Tithing is COMPLETELY unbiblical!

The tithe was reserved for the Levitical priests and it consisted only of crops. The common copout by some pulpit pimps is that money didn't exist back then but that also is unbiblical. The Old testament refers to money in the time of Levitical priests; so the distinction was clear.

I give tithes and offerings because my church is involved in several programs such as: Prison outreach, youth ministry, sports ministry, 2 schools, abuse and drug counseling etc. I see every dollar that I give utilized in a Christ like manner.

Even more, while my Pastor is the leader of the biggest church in NY state; he leads a very humble lifestyle. With what must be at least 40,000+ members, he could easily be on one of these newschannel exposes with a private jet, multiple mansions, lavish cars/jewelry etc.

The church is responsible for "Reasonably" providing for the pastor and his family as preaching the gospel and leading the flock is a full time job.