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Offline blkyoda

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Faint Praise from rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe
« on: November 01, 2006, 02:20:41 pm »
Found this from someone who calls themselves 'Badthings'...I don't go to many of these other sites but this guy isn't screaming about BP in the negative light that many other newsgroups seem to. It's in rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe under BP #21

Avoiding Civil War is pretty much a lost cause if you like any major
Marvel U character and nothing but pain if you're a Captain America fan
like me (though I'm sure you Iron Man fans are suffering too).  You
can't help but look and regret it each and every time.  It's like that
episode of The Simpsons where Bart kept touching the cupcake no matter
how many times it shocked him.  On the other hand, Black Panther has
been easy to avoid like the plague because Hudlin is just that lousy a
writer.  Untalented and arrogant.  I'd say it was a rare combination,
but unfortunately I see it all too much in comics.  Panther is unique
in the Civil War story because he's not in it and shouldn't be and that
makes perfect sense.  If it seems strange that I find that strange,
then obviously you haven't seen Captain America flaunt laws simply
because he disagrees with them, Spider-Man surrender the secret
identity that has defined his characer since day one and Iron Man
become the government lapdog he's always fought becoming.  End spoiler

I looked at BP out of boredom in the comic store, expecting a stupid,
useless slugfest and getting the biggest shock of all: Namor depicted
with three dimensions, including signs of wit and humility.  Are we
sure Hudlin wrote this!?!  And a bigger shocker still.  The way Panther
is getting involved in Civil War actually makes sense!  According
Namor, the other countries of the world are afraid of how the US is
turning all its metahumans into a police force because they feel the
next step is "exporting US policy."  As a leader who's already bumped
heads with the US already over their attempts to influence his country,
Black Panther is right to be concerned and to want to see the program
fail (of course, as a world leader, he shouldn't be open about it, but
in the non-logic of this whole plot I'm thinking that will be exactly
the case)

If this sounds familar to anyone it's because it's exactly the reason
the world attacked the US in The Ultimates (and is also being used in
Squadron Supreme).  Yes, it's being made more and more clear that,
since the Ultimate U obviously sells well, the regular U it being made
to match it.  Basically the tail is now wagging the dog.  It's a
horrible mistake because this was part of the appeal of the Ultimate U,
to see these these types of things played out.  Not to mention it's
better done in the Ultimate U making this suffer all the more by
comparison.  Then there's the simple fact that somehow, at the end of
the day, the status quo has to be somewhat restored, which is going to
be horribly contrived and ridiculous when it happens.  And it will

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Re: Faint Praise from rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2006, 02:38:21 pm »
back-handed compliments are better than nothing. I'm willing to wager that in a year's time Hudlin will have the kind of grudging acceptance most high-profile Marvel writers get (you'll be hard-pressed to find anything positive being said about Bendis or Millar on the CBR forums).

And I do agree with the sentiment that Hudlin seems much more comfortable writing these characters than he did a year ago. I see glimpses of the "classic", cerebral Panther that people claim to miss within the "new", more proactive Panther.
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Re: Faint Praise from rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 04:40:10 pm »
TO balance things out, here in Hannibal Tabu's glowing review of Issue #21:

Black Panther #21 (Marvel Comics)
First of all, to be fair, at no point in this issue do Namor and T'Challa come to blows, so the cover's a bit of a tease. This is the first diplomatic mission that actually doesn't have "aggressive negotiations." So don't get all worked up over that. Second, after the page with the powder and the deal, the dialogue-art confluence is screwy for just a sec, but it's easy to work your way through. Third, there's a lot of talking and not much making with the "biff" nor the "pow." So there's that. But this is a very smart issue, taking on the issues of modern 616 geopolitics and realizing the strange bedfellows that Civil War makes of many. To be honest, if the story were told with more jumps around in time and more of a subplot, it could be a Priest issue. But Namor and T'Challa come to an understanding and Mister Panther is heading to Washington, with much entertainment (a la Aaron Sorkin) along the way.

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