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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2011, 02:06:01 PM »
Final point: Curtis, in response to your question regarding Palin's reference to "blood libel." As you know, libel is essentially defamation of character -- a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person or group of persons. "Blood" libel would be libel in connection with the accusation that others are responsible for murder. As in the classic "blood libel" that the Jews killed Gentile children and used the children's blood in their Passover matzos. While I was surprised with Sarah Palin's use of the phrase, as it is almost always used in a Jewish context, it certainly applies in her case as well, with regard to the present attacks against anyone who passionately opposes the policies of the Administration and strongly expresses that passion (using not uncommon metaphors). Also, on a personal level, I believe it reveals, in Palin, a sympathy for the plight that Jews have suffered, which may explain why she was drawn to that analogy and chose to apply it to her own present circumstances. So I appreciate that. Since you asked, that's my reaction to her use of the phrase.

Thanks for responding, Michael. Frankly, I'm not sure what to make of her use of blood libel. Although I think that you are right about the literal meaning here, I wonder if she was weaving subtext into her statement that could be interpreted differently by those inclined to do so. I sometimes wonder if she isn't appealing to the shadier section of the spectrum with those kinds of word choices. This is admittedly hypothetical from rather thin evidence. It just tickles my spider sense a little and I wondered how others might see it.
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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #121 on: January 20, 2011, 04:06:32 PM »
If you read SEIGE, that cartoon is one of the funniest things ever.

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #122 on: January 21, 2011, 03:42:35 AM »
If you read SEIGE, that cartoon is one of the funniest things ever.

Reginald, is this another one of those Marvel "major event" things with zillions of comics picking up on the event and crossing over with one another, etc? Where even if you are trying to stick to reading a few titles you get sucked into buying and reading many more? That is one thing that drove me to just stop reading all of 'em cold turkey. Whenever I tried to cut down to a few titles, the discipline only lasted until the next major "event" (which, I think, was exactly what the publisher was counting on). I miss 'em, and miss the art, but I'm now reading novels in my limited spare time instead, which is refreshing. Now I remember, that is what happened when I was a kid as well. I just stopped reading comics and started reading novels (which usually have better character development). Must be going through my second childhood, hahaha.  ::)

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #123 on: January 21, 2011, 06:32:42 AM »
Curtis, on the Palin "Blood libel" comment, "You're welcome" (haha). Of course I answered your query. Yep, on that, I can't imagine anyone, other than maybe some Jew suffering a major case of C.O.S. Syndrome (Chip on Shoulder), finding anything sinister in her use of the "blood libel" phrase, given that Palin clearly believes blood libel to be a bad thing.

On the democracy/totalitarianism/regulation and trust in government sub-issue, your position was unclear to me (citing your trust in our government "of the people, by the people, for the people" and your "voting the bums out" as a reason for that trust). I tried to focus on the relevant issues, to get a better sense of precisely where we all stand and why. You didn't answer my (unoffensive) follow-up questions or discuss the matter further, so ... that was that. I thought your focus of your trust was the fact that we have a democratically elected government. Sorry for the misunderstanding of your position.
 
Wise Son, on the self-interest in politics point, while conservatives usually vote for tax reductions (because allowing people to keep more of what they have earned is usually the right thing to do) many of them also, according to you, vote for other measures and candidates that are "against their self-interest." I was simply explaining why that is. Moral Principle overriding "self-interest politics." An admirable thing.

The Palin/Cap Shield cartoon is a funny cartoon (though I've not been following the happenings in comic books for more than a year now). Amusing, on another level, that "Captain America" is now being used to combat Freedom of Speech. George Orwell must be sardonically smiling and shaking his head from his grave.  ::)


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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #124 on: January 21, 2011, 08:03:43 AM »
Reginald, is this another one of those Marvel "major event" things with zillions of comics picking up on the event and crossing over with one another, etc? Where even if you are trying to stick to reading a few titles you get sucked into buying and reading many more?
I'm not Reggie, but that is exactly what it is. It is basically Thor, Cap and Iron Man fighting alongside each other for the first time since Civil War, to take down Norman 'Iron Patriot' Osborne, culminating in the death of The Sentry. The comic parodies the sequence where Cap launches his attack against Osborne.
I miss 'em, and miss the art, but I'm now reading novels in my limited spare time instead, which is refreshing.
I'm trying to balance it myself. I'm reading Transformers, Batman Incorporated and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. It's a pretty good combo.

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #125 on: January 21, 2011, 09:14:39 AM »
...and The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. It's a pretty good combo.






That's some honest, bold and raw fiction that 'Adventures of Huckleberry Finn'.  Can you get back to us and let us know what you think of it when you're done?

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #126 on: January 21, 2011, 01:42:26 PM »
If you read SEIGE, that cartoon is one of the funniest things ever.

Reginald, is this another one of those Marvel "major event" things with zillions of comics picking up on the event and crossing over with one another, etc? Where even if you are trying to stick to reading a few titles you get sucked into buying and reading many more?


Pretty much, yes.

That is one thing that drove me to just stop reading all of 'em cold turkey.

You should drop Marvel an E-Mail and tell them this, Mike. You can't be the only person who got fed up by that sort of thing.

I'm irked at every mini series being four bucks an issue. It does not sound so bad until you  otice that Marvel cranks out minis at an alarming rate. I think half of Marvel 's output is friggin mini series.

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« Reply #127 on: January 22, 2011, 06:58:50 PM »
Haha, yep, checking out books, audio books on CD, and yes even movies from the public library for free is a lot cheaper than spending hundreds of dollars per year on comic books.

Uhh Ohh, don't know if I should admit to using the public library ... someone might accuse me of hypocritically benefiting from the government's socialist largess.  ;D

Really, part of what was the "straw that broke the camel's back" was that (in addition to not having the time to read all the comics) I was about 3/4 of the way through reading the "Captain America - Reborn" and got so pissed off with the stupidity of the storyline that I couldn't tolerate it anymore. Figured, "To hell with it; I'm going back to reading real books for fun!"

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #128 on: January 23, 2011, 03:42:06 AM »
Uhh Ohh, don't know if I should admit to using the public library ... someone might accuse me of hypocritically benefiting from the government's socialist largess.  ;D

I think we'll let you get away with it, but it was funny when Glenn Beck started telling his supporters to go to their local libraries. Now that is hypocrisy.

Talking of Beck and 'there will be blood'.:
Professor Receives Death Threats After Glenn Beck Targets Her
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A 78-year-old CUNY professor, Frances Fox Piven, has found herself not only the target of criticism from conservative radio and TV talk show host Glenn Beck, but also the recipient of what amount to death threats.

On his News Channel program, which more than 2 million people watch, and on one of his Web sites, The Blaze, Beck has turned Piven into the 'primary character' of his 'warnings about a progressive take-down of America,' according to the January 21st New York Times.   Piven, says Beck, is the author of a plan that will '“intentionally collapse our economic system."'

Piven has received threats via e-mail and anonymous comments on The Blaze have called for her death: '“Somebody tell Frances I have 5000 roundas ready and I’ll give My life to take Our freedom back"' and "ONE SHOT...ONE KILL"  (spelling and grammar have not been edited).


Also, where would they get the idea that he wanted them to shoot extremists in the head?

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #129 on: January 23, 2011, 04:34:14 AM »
Wise Son, on the self-interest in politics point, while conservatives usually vote for tax reductions (because allowing people to keep more of what they have earned is usually the right thing to do)...
If they have earned it without benefitting in the slightest from the benefits we get from taxation - law and order, a working infrastructure, a society where disease isn't rife, regulation on people's business dealings so that they cannot hold each other to ransom, etc), but I can't think of anyone who makes money without recourse to those.
many of them also, according to you, vote for other measures and candidates that are "against their self-interest." I was simply explaining why that is. Moral Principle overriding "self-interest politics." An admirable thing.
Fair enough, but when the Left vote against their own self-interest, it is usually to benefit those who are lower than them in the socioeconomic standings. When the Right do it, it is to benefit those above them. If you think those are more deserving, or more needy, fair enough.
The Palin/Cap Shield cartoon is a funny cartoon (though I've not been following the happenings in comic books for more than a year now). Amusing, on another level, that "Captain America" is now being used to combat Freedom of Speech. George Orwell must be sardonically smiling and shaking his head from his grave.  ::)
You could view it like that. It is amusing to me because it is comparing Palin to Norman "Director of SHIELD / Iron Patriot" Osborne, as someone who has used patriotic imagery and rhetoric to mask dangerous and selfish intentions. As such, she is being described as deserving of a Cap-shield to the face.

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #130 on: January 23, 2011, 08:48:21 PM »
Wise Son, often those supplying the voting numbers "on the LEFT" are voting for their own immediate self-interest. Don't kid yourself. Look, I know that from your idealistic perspective, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is the idealistic goal to the realized. But many are not so idealistically motivated when it comes to lining their pockets with the fruits of other men's labor and capital investments.

Other persons, such as myself, view this Communist ideal to be very very destructive to the psyche of our culture. We are very concerned about the long-term real welfare of others, including future generations.

As to the use of public libraries: Nobody but the most extremist Librarians, errr ... I mean Libertarians ... would advocate termination of basic public services such as libraries, police, fire departments, road maintenance, and the like, at the local level. I was making a joke (and besides, I surely pay enough in local taxes to use the library). I don't think Mr. Beck can be accused of hypocrisy in suggesting that his viewers go to the public library (what a "horrible" suggestion, by the way), any more than he could be accused of hypocrisy by suggesting that his viewers drive (on public roads) to a rally.

Anyway, sounds like all Beck advised his viewers to do is go to the public library, not shoot anyone.

By the way, did you personally post those violent-sounding "comments" regarding Professor Frances Fox Piven (referenced in the article above)? Hahaha, just kidding, but you get my point. Who most benefits by such anonymous posts, in the attribution of such posts to Glenn Beck's nefarious influence? The obvious answer is: those who would like to silence Glenn Beck are the ones who would benefit by creating and then advertising the violent-sounding posts. The truth is there are people anonymously posting outrageous material on the Internet posing as members of their "opposition" all the time (and one would expect all the more so in the present climate of the Left advocating censorship of those on the Right). Also, there are always some venting ball-less assholes represented in those kind of after-article Internet "comments" and even on message boards, who show great bravado so long as they are anonymously hiding behind their keyboards. That such impostors and/or anonymous venting assholes should be seen as grounds to silence a conservative commentator is ... scary. Apparently a commentator is not allowed to reference the words and writings of academics or activists or politicians he disagrees with, if his intention is to disparage them, their policies and their ideology. We never see that from the Left. Never ever ever. ::)

I think what some folks on the Left hate about Glenn Beck is that in him they see their mirror reflection.

The Palin/Cap Shield cartoon is a funny cartoon (though I've not been following the happenings in comic books for more than a year now). Amusing, on another level, that "Captain America" is now being used to combat Freedom of Speech. George Orwell must be sardonically smiling and shaking his head from his grave.  ::)

You could view it like that. It is amusing to me because it is comparing Palin to Norman "Director of SHIELD / Iron Patriot" Osborne, as someone who has used patriotic imagery and rhetoric to mask dangerous and selfish intentions. As such, she is being described as deserving of a Cap-shield to the face.


Slamming someone in the head with a hard-edged flying shield! To stop her from expressing her political views in public. What Terrible violent imagery!  :o

Starting with Sarah Palin. Where will it end? What violence will it inspire? I can hear the President's adviser calling Steve Rogers now, "Steve. Stopping Palin wasn't enough. The anti-Administration rhetoric is still way too heated. Way too passionate. Criticizing specific individuals who are working with us. Even scholars! This is creating a hostile atmosphere, a real threat to the general welfare. This has to stop, for the good of the country! It's time for another ...
deCAPitation!!!!!"

... and soon enough the new patriotic charge, "It's deCAPitation time!" will replace the outdated, "Avengers Assemble!"

God Bless Amerika.  ::)

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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2011, 05:55:58 AM »
A friend sent this to me recently. Even though it's a few months old, it seemed apropos...

Tea Party Splits Over Obama/Hitler/Lenin Comparison



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So on one hand this is almost a story about how the Tea Party has vestigial sense of shame; on the other hand, the mere fact that they thought it was a good idea until enough people complained shows the inherent problems with the group’s political philosophy while also highlighting their historical ignorance.

If you hadn’t heard, the Iowa Tea Party covered up a billboard this Wednesday that featured a photo of President Obama flanked by Adolf Hitler on the left and Vladimir Lenin on the right.  Besides being adorned with the phrases “Live Free or Die” and “Radical Leaders Prey on the Fearful and Naïve” the billboard also had the following phrases: under Hitler “National Socialism, under Obama Democratic Socialism, and under Lenin “Marxist Socialism.”

Where should I begin? I guess I’ll just start at the beginning and say that I find it more than a little ironic that the billboard should state that radical leaders will prey on the fearful and naïve since that is obviously what this billboard is trying to do.

These people put up the President’s face next to two people guilty of committing mass genocide and they have the audacity to say Obama is playing on people’s fears??!! Do they realize that if they are going for irony that it’s usually best served subtle, not over the head. They are essentially stating that Obama is a demagogue who plays on the fears of the people while they themselves are playing on the fears of people by insinuating that he is going to round them up and kill them.

What’s next? Are you going to tell the civilians in Afghanistan that the cluster bombs they think we are dropping on them are really peace piñatas? (hmmm that wouldn’t work because piñata is a Spanish word and I am pretty sure they don’t even like to call tacos “tacos” anymore. They probably call them hard shell sandwiches seeing as how many conservatives fear immigration and by extension anything that implies that the white culture of this country is not dominant.)

My next point is that I am sick of people conflating socialism, communism, and Nazism, etc.

Let me start with the easiest one: Hitler was not a socialist. Yes, I know that Nazi stands for National Socialist Party, but the socialist aspect of the party was eliminated in all but name by the time Hitler was in charge. Open any book on Nazi Germany or the Holocaust and you will see that the Nazis put communists and socialists in concentration camps.

Heck, most of you have probably read this poem:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Did anyone else but me notice that communists and socialists were the first two to be taken away…followed by who…oh yeah the trade unionist—the very type of people who would technically be most inclined to support socialism.

The Nazis were "socialists" in the same way that North Korea, whose real name is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, is a “democratic” or “republican” form of government. It was a marketing term that reflected more the fascists' real roots in the radical ferment around socialism, but there is little question fascism generically and Nazism specifically are distinct and different from socialism or communism.

Whatever anti-capitalism was expressed by the Nazis it was highly selective.  Even at their most radical, the socialism that the fascists wanted was actually a state capitalism i.e., one that denied property rights to foreigners or enemies within (read Jews). The Nazis were financed by the big industrialists and factory owners, not the sort of people you would expect to support them if they were going to take over the economic system. They used propaganda to appeal to the working class, but the only plan they had to create jobs was to kills Jews and other undesirables such as homosexuals, the Roma, communists, socialists, alcoholics, the disabled, etc. to make more room for the unemployed Aryans.

Those who understand socialism know that it is an economic system that is not bound by national boundaries, in fact it would prefer that there be no boundaries, instead it would prefer people to be separated by class whereas Nazis were probably the most nationalist racially obsessed people ever.

So to conclude: Nazis’ are not socialists, they are fascists.

Now as for Democratic Socialism and Marxist Socialism, I think most of Europe, Canada, India, etc. would be intrigued to realize that they are virtually as evil and ghoulish as the Soviet Union under Lenin or Stalin.

Without getting too deep into the theoretical distinctions between socialism and communism and the actual framework espoused by Marx and Engels versus the implementation of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc.  I think we should all agree that none of the countries led by these men are similar to Democratic Socialist countries such as France, Denmark, Australia, etc.

In fact, I would contend that the U.S. is not nor has it ever been a pure capitalist country because it has always relied on the government to fill in the holes where the private sector failed—sometimes the invisible hand of the free market is all thumbs. We’ve always had more of a mixed economy that allows for maximum flexibility. But if you want to consider Obama a socialist or a communist, I guess you would consider Teddy Roosevelt one too? Eisenhower would also be a socialist since he supported the extensive federal funding needed to build the federal highway system. Let’s not forget Nixon who must have been a rabid socialist since he put in place price and wage controls in the 1970s and expanded the government by creating the EPA and passing the Clean Air Act. For that matter, Bush increased domestic spending, expanded the federal government’s role in education, expanded Medicare by creating a prescription drug program, and actively sought to limit the rights of American citizens in the name of fight a war on an idea that is nearly synonymous with fear i.e., terror.

Please don't tell me you think former Treasury Secretary and former Goldman Sach CEO Hank Paulson or even current Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, are socialists? Seeing as how they helped Bush create the initial bailout plans you'd have to call all three of them socialists if you call Obama one.

So many big things would not have happened without public funding: the Internet was developed by the Pentagon, the National Institute of Health used public funds for the Human Genome Project, the GPS network that enables me to never have to remember how to get anywhere was developed by the Air Force; in fact, it still operates it. I love me some Google, Facebook, Pandora, etc. but where would they be if the government hadn’t helped establish the Internet? America has a long history of public investment and standard setting followed by private growth.  When Eisenhower built highways that wasn’t him being a socialist that was him providing good governance.  Obama’s goal of expanding broadband access is similarly not socialism—it is a needed resource that the private sector has failed to provide.

Now that I’ve rambled on about how unhelpful and ignorant it is to use terms like communism, socialism, Nazism, democratic socialism, etc. as if they were interchangeable let me return to the aforementioned billboard.

As I stated, the sign was only up briefly before the Iowa Tea Party was shamed into covering it up. No, they were not made to do it by Obama so this is not a freedom of speech issue. It was other Tea Party groups that protested.

Shelby Blakely, a leader of the Tea Party Patriots, a national group, stated "That's just a waste of money, time, resources and it's not going to further our cause. It's not going to help our cause. It's going to make people think that the tea party is full of a bunch of right-wing fringe people, and that's not true."

John White, state coordinator of the Iowa Tea Party movement, says “the new billboard crosses a dangerous line. He says it’s going somewhere the Tea Party doesn’t need to go.”

“He says people are tired of slander and mudslinging and the Tea Party doesn’t need to take part in it.”

That all sounded reasonable until he stated that:

“While he doesn’t agree with posting the billboard, White says he agrees that Obama has followed several of the same principles as Hitler.”

“He says everything Obama has done is “lock-step” with what Hitler did in his day, but the sign goes into an area where the Tea Party doesn’t want to be.”

I am kind of disappointed because he seems to really believe that Obama and Hitler are appropriate comparisons, but he’s taking it down because he doesn’t want to be perceived as believing what he believes. This guy is certainly ready to be a politician.

Now, of course, they are going to put up a new sign that they think will feature a quote from Thomas Jefferson, “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government," when in reality there has been no proof that he ever said this. Most likely the quote comes from Democratic Senator John Sharp Williams in a speech about Jefferson.

In general, I find it problematic to pick through quotes of various Founding Fathers to find one that suits you because it is all too easy since, as a whole, they not only rarely agreed with each other, but as individuals, they often went through dramatic changes of opinion and worked laboriously through their own thoughts and ideas. As such it is hard to say what Jefferson or Adams might say about something in a modern context. Additionally, I have to wonder why Tea Party supporters who are normally quite religious, according to most polling, would use a quote from a man that called for a "wall of separation between church and state," and who even took the time to write the Jefferson Bible—his version of the story of Jesus but without all that supernatural stuff.

I’d like to close by stating that I am very aware that images of George W. Bush with Hitler were more than prevalent during Bush’s eight years in office (a simple Google search—if you don’t mind using a publicly created resource like the Internet—can prove that), but what you won’t find is members of the Democratic National Party or their state organizations not only supporting but producing such imagery. If the Tea Party is truly a party and not just a loose confederation of mostly conservatives and libertarians than they have the responsibility to either act like a real party or to let their freak flag fly if they really do want to be the next John Birch Society.
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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2011, 09:44:18 PM »
There is no separate political "tea" party with a central committee that controls what every activist organization does or what every activist says.  Still, the sign was taken down, apparently in part because other "Tea Party" groups rightly objected to it (and no doubt, many objected because they did disagree with such extreme comparisons)(though some of the parodies are funny). Also as noted in the article, many activists in left-wing organizations decried Bush as a Fascist and proclaimed he was the new Hitler. I saw no objections from Forum members, and I doubt Scott P cried a bitter tear at that time. D-d-d-double standard.

But look, on the positive side, the sign has provoked a discussion of Socialism ... and Obama.

Far more relevant is the following observation, which leads to the conclusion that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Zombies:



Please listen to the end ... the clip is only 25 seconds.

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« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2011, 06:29:08 AM »
Also as noted in the article, many activists in left-wing organizations decried Bush as a Fascist and proclaimed he was the new Hitler. I saw no objections from Forum members, and I doubt Scott P cried a bitter tear at that time. D-d-d-double standard.

First of all, bullsh*t on your favorite charge of "double standard". Lack of criticism (that you know of) for every nut that shares your part of the political spectrum no way disqualifies anyone to speak out on the forum. If we held you to that standard you wouldn't have time to do anything else. Unless you can point to an explicit inconsistency, I really wish you would refrain from that tired charge. 

I’d like to close by stating that I am very aware that images of George W. Bush with Hitler were more than prevalent during Bush’s eight years in office (a simple Google search—if you don’t mind using a publicly created resource like the Internet—can prove that), but what you won’t find is members of the Democratic National Party or their state organizations not only supporting but producing such imagery. If the Tea Party is truly a party and not just a loose confederation of mostly conservatives and libertarians than they have the responsibility to either act like a real party or to let their freak flag fly if they really do want to be the next John Birch Society.

The part after the but is equally important as the part before.
I think the author's point is that the Tea Party is either a political organization or it's not. I lean towards not. It seems to be merely a faction of the Republican Party.
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Re: There Will Be Blood
« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2011, 07:07:59 AM »
Curtis, I am not preventing anyone from expressing any point of view they wish to on the Forum. So don't go there. That said, that does not prevent me from pointing out the obvious. Of course there is a double standard in the objections to the portrayal of Obama as Hitler and the past total lack of objection to the portrayal of Bush as Hitler. C'mon, man. If Scott P did cry bitter tears over Bush being called "Hitler" (over and over and over again during his Presidency) please let us know. Because we are seeing never-ending tears now, with Obama.

By the way, as a matter of personal consistency, I have objected to the portrayal of Obama as Hitler, and did so at the time of such signs appeared. On the other hand, I do believe that Obama's socialist sympathies are greater than he is letting on (came out in his off-the-cuff "spread the wealth around" comment, revealed in some of his appointments, etc), and thus raising this issue is warranted. However, one can't seriously equate him with Stalin or Lenin, though some the parodies in that regard are amusing.

Also, you quote the article as if we didn't read it. Scott P is trying to defuse charges that he, himself, is a hypocrite, if he did not object to the extremely venturous Bush-basing during the Bush years. That quote was the author's lame attempt to counter the obvious answer, that there are myriad "tea party" organizations and activists, just as there were (and are) myriad left-wing organizations and activists, with some taking extreme positions. The "Tea Party Movement" is not a 3rd political party, never has been, as Scott P well knows. It is a lose affiliation of individuals and organizations. To split the conservative vote with a third party would be nothing but a gift to the Democratic Party (which is why some Democrats have attempted to create "Tea Party" third parties on some ballots).

What we see in the article you posted, above, is an attempt to smear everyone in the "Tea Party Movement" with the same broad brush based on the momentary activity of one organization and the comment of one individual, despite the fact that it was because of pressure from other "tea party" organizations and activists that the sign was taken down a few days after being erected. You see, even when the sign is taken down because of "tea party" pressure, the events are "spun" by leftist zealots to paint as negative a picture as possible. Instead of saying, "That's great that such a stupid and offensive sign was taken down as a result of self-policing." The article you quoted is just another example of more partisan political zealotry, an attempt at character assassination on a large scale. Ho-hum, more of the same from our "Progressive Activist" friends. I am not impressed.

P.S. Did you like the video I posted, above?