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Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« on: April 01, 2011, 07:49:20 AM »
Rashida Jones identifies as black in real life, should it matter what she plays on TV?

By: Stacia L. Brown | theLoop21.com
Thu, 03/31/2011 - 5:41am


Rashida Jones (pictured above with her father Quincy) doesn't have to let race limit her range as an actress.

I love Rashida Jones but, I'll admit that my familiarity with her acting career is relatively new. I started checking for her circa her guest arc on The Office and now I'm loving her on Parks and Recreation. Plus, her appearance in a movie trailer exponentially increases my interest in a film. The same is true of Maya Rudolph. We'll get to her in a minute.

Recently, after exposing myself as a Rashida fan on Twitter, I wound up engaged in a spirited, constructive discussion about her. It began with my reference to a quote from Jones I'd found via Racialicious:
I always wanted to pursue theater and my black cultural identity. In my second year at college, I did the play For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide/When the Rainbow is Enuf, and it was so healing. […] I’m lucky because I have so many clashing cultural, racial things going on: black, Jewish, Irish, Portuguese, Cherokee. I can float and be part of any community I want. The thing is, I do identify with being black, and if people don’t identify me that way that’s their issue.

A friend then tweeted: "I've never read that quote before, but I find it interesting she wants to identify with black culture, yet often plays white women." She then pointed out how Jones' The Office role, Karen Filippelli, was written as Italian. Steve Carell's character even mentioned her "exotic looks." Apparently, she was white or race-less in the film, I Love You, Man, as well. All of her Parks and Recreation love interests have also been white, and that's yet another role where her race has never been identified.

My question, though, is: should that matter? If Rashida Jones identifies as black in her personal life, is she obligated to pursue roles that identify her as black, too?

By her own admission, Jones enjoys a kind of "recreational passing." Like Angela Murray's mother in Jessie Fauset's 1929 novel, Plum Bun, Rashida Jones identifies with and embraces her blackness in her personal life; but in order to gain access to a larger pool of opportunities, she allows herself to be considered white.

Roles for women of color are scarce. Roles for multiracial women—or women whose appearance doesn't it lend itself to a very obvious racial identity—are even rarer. But roles that could be played by pretty much any white actress between the ages of 25 and 35 are a dime a dozen.

Jones wants to work and with her pedigree, she doesn’t even have to. She's the daughter of actress Peggy Lipton and music legend Quincy Jones. She's also a Harvard grad, a clothing line co-owner, and a comic book writer.

In Hollywood, though, none of those things have as much currency as the ability to look white.

Seeing as how it's not 1911, her father's name is practically synonymous with the word "Grammy," and her first name could be considered a racial marker, Rashida Jones doesn't have to deny her blackness. But because of her skin color, she doesn't have to be limited or defined by it, either. She has the luxury of selection and she uses it.

She isn't alone, multiracial actresses Maya Rudolph and Jennifer Beals do it too. Of the three, Rudolph is the most apt to African American roles. Especially during her time on Saturday Night Live, where she was inexplicably tasked with doing impressions of Oprah, Michelle Obama, and Whitney Houston. In her wonderful, underrated film, Away We Go, we knew she was a woman of color because her sister was played by Carmen Ejogo. Beals has far fewer black roles on her resume, though, ironically, she did play a black woman passing for white in the big screen adaptation of Devil in a Blue Dress.

If Rashida wanted to dig a bit deeper as an actress, she'd do something similar. Like play someone biracial who "floats" between racial identities and meets dire consequences and/or criticism for it. A film adaptation of the aforementioned novel, Plum Bun, would be ideal.

In the end, multiracial actresses face a great deal of pressure not to allow themselves to only be regarded as white. It's awkward; our knowledge of their blackness is an elephant in the room (or in the movie theatre, as it were). But it isn't their responsibility to deny themselves offers of respectable employment in order to prove their allegiance to black culture. They aren't obligated to pursue roles written for women of color. It would just be nice if they made the choice to do so more often.

Stacia L. Brown is a writer, mother, adjunct professor, and pop culture enthusiast residing in Grand Rapids, MI. Her work has appeared on The Huffington Post, PostBourgie.com and in Mosaic, Union Station, and It's All Love: Black Writers on Soul Mates, Family, and Friends. Follow her on Twitter at http://twitter.com/slb79

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 11:33:43 AM »
This is an interesting article. I see aspects of Vin Diesel and the Rock in this too.

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 09:04:16 AM »
Hot trumps race in women.
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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 12:05:37 PM »
Hot trumps race in women.







That is soo true! ;D

If you're hot,  you got!
If not, you ain't got!

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 12:05:59 PM »
For who? Hotness is a very subjective thing and I see a lot of white women always being touted as the hottest women in the world that don't do much for me, whereas there's sisters and others that get passed over. When I look at, or imagine, who is doing the judging I can understand who gets the nod and who doesn't. I don't think hotness trumps race, I think its tied into race/ethnicity.

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 03:05:20 PM »
what is Kidada up to lately?  I remember her from that Black/White film with brooke shields and wu-tang, circa 2000... somebody tell her I said hi..   :-*

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 04:14:07 PM »
For who? Hotness is a very subjective thing and I see a lot of white women always being touted as the hottest women in the world that don't do much for me, whereas there's sisters and others that get passed over. When I look at, or imagine, who is doing the judging I can understand who gets the nod and who doesn't. I don't think hotness trumps race, I think its tied into race/ethnicity.




I agree with you 100% on the very idea that Hollywood consistently pushes the imagery that white women are the standard bearers of beauty but I think that 'hotness' is something else entirely.   I saw this documentary on DIRECTV last week called 'Behind The Burly Q' chronicling the burlesque era of the showgirl stripper and of course, this period of show business pushed white women to the extreme. However, when the act started to wear thin, black women and other ethnic honeys entered the fray...  only briefly.  Personally, I believe to steal borrow ideas from the other ethnic flavors and boot them out!   My point is that those women in that era were 'hot' because they had all the qualities (I believe) that I look for: Full lips.  Full hips. Shiny, clean teeth. Relaxed, alluring eyes.  Confidant stride on her step.  Clean finger nails.   

So, hotness does trump race.


To me, white women aren't necessary 'hot' but too  exposed.  Latina women are 'hot'. So are African women. ...and Asian women.  So when I think of 'hotness' on women, I think of an exotic presence like, full lips.  Full childrearing, hips. Shiny, clean teeth. Relaxed, alluring eyes.  Confidant stride on her step.  Clean finger nails.  I don't care what race you are, just have those qualities and I'm good to go! :-*

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 04:59:22 PM »
I think that's a retro view if for no other reason than to "push the white ideal of beauty" is an oversimplification.

I can put up a long list of hot black women that have prominently graced the big and small screens over the last decade, one of whom is, literally, the most beautiful woman I have ever seen (AND she can act). There aren't enough roles written for them, that's true, and it's something i try to do what I can to fix.

While it was absolutely true that there was only the one standard driving the business when we were growing up, it's become much more about markets and how to crack them in recent years.

Is Beyonce not a beautiful black woman? Is Angela Basset Not a beautiful black woman? Is Taraji Henson not a beautiful black woman? Is Jill Scott not a beautiful black woman? Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there are also a great many things that we are biologically encoded to prefer as human beings, SYMMETRY being chief among them and the "hourglass" proportion being another.

Empirically, whether you see her as black or "mixed" or white (not likely), Ms. Jones qualifies as smoking hot. As a result she doesn't have to concern herself with a great many roadblocks that another black woman, say one not as good looking, does. And that is true across the board in "Hollywood" regardless of skin color. And that's well before we get to her lineage or her intelligence or her talents. If Tori Spelling can keep a career, Rashida has no problems she can't get over.

Believe me, I'm not the guy who says there's no racism out here. Far from it. But Rashida Jones has everything she could as for in terms of front-loading a career. If she wants out of the box, all she has to do is put together a project that will let her climb.

That girl from PRECIOUS has no such ability and it isn't because she's not bubbly or smart or because her skin is dark. She's simply not hot. End of story.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2011, 07:05:40 AM by Redjack »
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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 04:16:29 AM »
It doesn't hurt Rashida Jones or Tori Spelling that they come from well regarded Hollywood families either. I think you guys are overemphasizing beauty. Yes, on a basic level, I think there are white women or other women who look better than some black women on an individual level, so in that way, hotness does trump race, but when you look at Hollywood and you see the dearth of roles for black women as opposed to white women, when you see how the Hollywood machine churns out new white starlets all the time while people like Megan Good or Lauren London languish in the background, race trumps hotness in that respect. And though Gabrielle Union, Sanaa Lathan, and Nia Long are well known to black audiences, they should've been in more mainstream projects. They are just as talented as their white contemporaries. Same with Kerry Washington. Not to mention models. I see how Sports Illustrated for example has that one black go-to, Jessica White, while they introduce a bevy of white women every year. There are so many hot women in Hollywood I don't think hotness alone is a sole guarantor that you will get more work, regardless of your race.

The white standard of beauty is still in effect. As much as I love Beyonce there are those accusations that she lightens her skin. I don't know if that's true or not, but it doesn't hurt her, whether through cosmetic surgery, makeup, or weaves to appear as light as she can, with lighter colored hair. I think Jill Scott is fine, but she's not gracing the covers of too many magazines, beyond Essence and Ebony. Both Angela Bassett and Taraji Henson are blazing and perhaps come close enough to what Redjack is saying, but still I would argue that they haven't gotten the push that some of their white counterparts have. Though they might be on that shortlist of acclaimed, acceptable black actors/actresses now, along with Halle Berry, Whoopi Goldberg, and maybe, just maybe Viola Davis.

I'm not saying that Rashida can't have a good career. She's already started out with the advantages of coming from the Quincy Jones family, not to mention her own resume. It would be great to see her break out that box, however, I fear that it will be as the racially ambigious partner of white men which really doesn't challenge the white standard of beauty, it accomodates it. You can only be acceptable by erasing, ignoring, or distracting from the black part of you.

As for the Precious girl. I don't think she's attractive, not just because of her size. Her face doesn't work for me. Though I think that was why she was cast. Her size, her skin color, and a general unattractiveness. And she's supposed to represent young black urban girls? What does that tell you what Hollywood thinks about black women, except for the Hollywood Blue Vein Society?
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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 08:07:13 AM »
well, setting aside personal prefs on talent, what you're talking about is money.

if a lot of people go to see SOUL PLANE, then lots of versions of SOUL PLANE will be made. If no one goes to see A SOLDIER'S STORY, it will be blamed on the mostly black cast and the themes of the story.

we're having this discussion on a site founded by a guy who, 20+ years ago, was one of a bunch of black film makers who saw there was nothing being done to tell "our" stories and simply went out and made some. they had no connections. they had no money. some of them weren't even cute, much less hot. they found money. they found cameras. they found actors. they found or wrote scripts and they made movies in a time period when it was MUCH more difficult to do any of that. And none of them had Quincy Jones on speed dial.

If Tyler Perry proves anything it is that you can get rich catering exclusively to black audiences. Spike and Reggie and a few others proved the same some time ago but, whatever. If Joss Whedon proves anything it is you can get rich catering exclusively to geeks.

I have a low tolerance for people with beauty, talent, intelligence, fat pockets and insane connections complaining about what someone won't "let" them do.

If you want it, do it. Yourself.

If I, who have NONE of that (well, I'm smart, okay.) can do it, then I don't want to hear any bitching from people who started life on third base. I would kill for those assets.

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 03:48:25 PM »
If Joss Whedon proves anything it is you can get rich catering exclusively to geeks.





Agreed.
Him, George Lucas and Blizzard Entertainment (well, Korean geeks anyway!). ;D

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 04:26:18 PM »
If Joss Whedon proves anything it is you can get rich catering exclusively to geeks.





Agreed.
Him, George Lucas and Blizzard Entertainment (well, Korean geeks anyway!). ;D

Ha, ha!

At least Whedon and Lucas started out with larger audiences. Buffy at its roots was teen drama where the main character has to choose between brooding beefcake types. Star Wars was all ages science fantasy.

As for Blizzard, I couldn't tell you a thing about Diablo players other than I kind of wish that I had that much time on my hands.

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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2011, 08:49:12 PM »
Redjack,

I'm not disagreeing with you about people taking their destiny in their own hands, but your soapbox moment had nothing to do with refuting my assertion that Rashida Jones, Tori Spelling, and others conceivably had an easier time getting their foot into the door based on their famous parents. That doesn't always work, i.e. Montana Fishburne, but it certainly helps. Of course I think Montana had some other personal issues than getting into Hollywood. Nor does your do-it-yourself polemic have anything to do with supporting your view that beauty trumps race, that it somehow exists in this vacuum, apart from culture, history, class, and preferences that are shaped by culture, history, class, personal connections, etc. If you were just going off on a tangent and not responding to my post, then my bag and I apologize in advance.
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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2011, 10:28:55 PM »
I can't speak to whatever is broken inside Ms Fishbourne. I met her dad a couple times and he was always a great and decent man. Sometimes you get a bad apple.

Ms Jones is NOT a bad apple. She is an EXTREMELY attractive, extremely intelligent, extremely talented woman with the sort of rolodex that would eat a small country. Ms Spelling, by contrast, had a powerful father. And that's all.

If I was Ms Jones I would be making things. I wouldn't be waiting for someone else to make them for me and I wouldn't be worried about the labels people put on me. I don't worry about those things now and I've got only two of the things going for me that she has in her pocket.

I'm sorry. I don't want to hear how rough it is for her. It's not. I have  literally ZERO sympathy.

If I had HALF of what she's got I'd be Rod Serling. But, y'know, still alive.
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Re: Rashida Jones and the Politics of Passing In Hollywood
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2011, 03:57:11 AM »
I'm not saying its rough for her, though to be real I do think some white actresses, similarly connected, might have an easier time, or even if they don't have those connections, if they are termed hot and up and coming for whatever reason. That doesn't preclude Ms. Jones from doing her own thing. I would think too that she would be nicely situated because of her family/not to mention what she's done already, to get some projects off the ground. In the article it said she already branched into comics. Maybe that could be her franchise.