Watchmen

[CIENCIANO]

I refuse to pay the Wachowski brothers to crap on a book I enjoyed that much. They can take their watered-down trash to hell with them.

...in my humble opinion, of course.

But David Lloyd likes it.

as is said before, i don't give a damn about David LLoyd's art.

[mr. irrelevant]

I refuse to pay the Wachowski brothers to crap on a book I enjoyed that much. They can take their watered-down trash to hell with them.

...in my humble opinion, of course.

But David Lloyd likes it.

as is said before, i don't give a damn about David LLoyd's art.

So the opinion of the artist and co-author of graphic novel that you love has no merit?  I'm sorry, but that seems a little f*cked up.

[CIENCIANO]

I refuse to pay the Wachowski brothers to crap on a book I enjoyed that much. They can take their watered-down trash to hell with them.

...in my humble opinion, of course.

But David Lloyd likes it.

as is said before, i don't give a damn about David LLoyd's art.

So the opinion of the artist and co-author of graphic novel that you love has no merit?  I'm sorry, but that seems a little f*cked up.

did you read MY  posts??

i never said i love V for vendetta, i am a Moore fan but of watchmen, swamp thing, extraordinaire league, top ten and all ABC.
 i don't like V for vendetta and some short storeis he did for DC in the 80's too much.
i never said i love V for vendetta my friend.

and yeah, i rectify: the art of David Lloyd is at least, in my opinion, mediocre and tasteless.

[mr. irrelevant]

I refuse to pay the Wachowski brothers to crap on a book I enjoyed that much. They can take their watered-down trash to hell with them.

...in my humble opinion, of course.

But David Lloyd likes it.

as is said before, i don't give a damn about David LLoyd's art.

So the opinion of the artist and co-author of graphic novel that you love has no merit?  I'm sorry, but that seems a little f*cked up.

did you read MY  posts??

i never said i love V for vendetta, i am a Moore fan but of watchmen, swamp thing, extraordinaire league, top ten and all ABC.
 i don't like V for vendetta and some short storeis he did for DC in the 80's too much.
i never said i love V for vendetta my friend.

and yeah, i rectify: the art of David Lloyd is at least, in my opinion, mediocre and tasteless.

Actually, you stated that you thought V For Vendetta was a great comic, as all things Moore.  Granted you did say that you weren't fond of David Lloyd's art (which I really can't understand why) but that still doesn't make his opinion irrelevant, especially since this is the same man who gained Alan Moore's trust and respect for the two to collaborate on the making of the comic.

[Redjack]

V for Vendetta was written before Watchmen, and IMO is a more accessible work. Watchmen is very centered on America, and the concerns/paranoia of the 80's. V for Vendetta is a timeless story that could happen anywhere, not just the UK. Humanity's struggle against Fascism is universal.

See, that's funny becuase I found the Watchmen to be a distinctly British OBSERVATION of America and global Americanism while V was, very very specifically, a political treatise knocking the Thatcher regime (granted, it's not hard to knock a fascist female impersonator, but still).

V the movie is a generic version of something that was extremely specific in the book and, if one keys to villians or the darker side of heroics, V for Vendetta the comic will be very much to your liking.

Alan moore is, crazy or not, quite simply the perfect comic book writer. He can do everything and do it at a level that engages both the visceral and the literary mind.

The only thing of his I haven't stuck with was PROMETHEA and that was because I have a low tolerance for metaphysics and "real" magic. The qulity of the writing was top notch and the visual storytelling was cutting edge.

He even made SUPREME worth reading.

[Rollo_Tomasi]

I have nothing but contempt for V the movie...out of respect for Moore's feelings, and my own distaste for the Wachowski brothers, I abstained from it in theatres. If a friend picks up the DVD, I'll watch it for a laugh, but I'll never pay money for it.

V the comic had a much stronger impact on me than Watchmen did. I had a very odd experience while reading it. I was working nights in an office building (long story) near a pier/commercial square area. All around the central building (which houses a Barnes and Noble), there were international flags flying from a series of poles. I never took much note of them, but I knew they were there. Well, I took to reading V for Vendetta during my breaks at work (my shift ran from 4:30pm - 1:30am), and I finally managed to finish it one night. Well, as I exited my office building, in the dead silence that is most office/commercial areas at 1:30am, I happened to look up to the sky...to see that every last international flag had been replaced by an American one.






And just for a moment, I felt a chill.

[mr. irrelevant]

I have nothing but contempt for V the movie...out of respect for Moore's feelings, and my own distaste for the Wachowski brothers, I abstained from it in theatres. If a friend picks up the DVD, I'll watch it for a laugh, but I'll never pay money for it.

V the comic had a much stronger impact on me than Watchmen did. I had a very odd experience while reading it. I was working nights in an office building (long story) near a pier/commercial square area. All around the central building (which houses a Barnes and Noble), there were international flags flying from a series of poles. I never took much note of them, but I knew they were there. Well, I took to reading V for Vendetta during my breaks at work (my shift ran from 4:30pm - 1:30am), and I finally managed to finish it one night. Well, as I exited my office building, in the dead silence that is most office/commercial areas at 1:30am, I happened to look up to the sky...to see that every last international flag had been replaced by an American one.






And just for a moment, I felt a chill.

I understand. I know a lot of people who hate the wachowski brothers with a passion.  I just think, IMHO, that it's pretty good movie and loyal to at least the tone of the book.

And I know what you mean about the book's impact.  There's a strong excess of nationlism and a intolerance of different cultures around here.  But then again, this is Texas.

[Wise Son]

I know a lot of people who hate the wachowski brothers with a passion. 

How come?

[mr. irrelevant]

I know a lot of people who hate the wachowski brothers with a passion. 

How come?

Well, some are dissapointed with the matrix movies, others hate them for what they did with the V for Vendetta movies.  But hey, that's their perogative.  I still like the Wachowski brothers.

[Wise Son]

Well, some are dissapointed with the matrix movies, others hate them for what they did with the V for Vendetta movies.  But hey, that's their perogative.  I still like the Wachowski brothers.

Fair enough, me too.

[bluezulu]

damn to each his own. the matrix movies changed for the positive what i thought was possible with movies and science fiction/action movies.

[Rollo_Tomasi]

damn to each his own. the matrix movies changed for the positive what i thought was possible with movies and science fiction/action movies.

I liked the first two, but thought that they showed an almost unbearable pretension on the part of the filmmakers. The third one was not only pretentious, but was also boring and somewhat unwatchable, with the notable exception of the Neo/Smith fight. And then I heard what they were doing to V for Vendetta and well...I'm done.

[CIENCIANO]

Hey, MATRIX the original movie kicks ass!!
the final with that rage against the machine's song... wow!!

[Wise Son]

damn to each his own. the matrix movies changed for the positive what i thought was possible with movies and science fiction/action movies.

Oh, agreed. I really loved Reloaded, and re-watched Revolutions recently and it was better than I remembered (if they had worked harder on the dialogue, and just made a couple of scenes shorter it would have rocked more - trinity's death started off sad, but got ridiculous as she just kept talking on and on. It would have been more emotionally charged to have cut it short, and not have her able to say everything she wanted to.).

I think the Wachowski's used up too much story in Reloaded, so not much happened in Revolutions. I really liked the revelation that the prophecy was part of the machines' plan, as it challeneged some of the contradictions of the first film ('we're fighting to allow mankind to have freedom of choice, so we'll do it by following this set of instructions' ), and yes, the Neo / Smith fight at the climax is the bench-mark for super-hero battles on screen for now.

[Ed]

The last fight scene in Revolutions is probably the closest thing to us getting a live action DBZ movie.