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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2012, 08:10:28 AM »
Sadly, I almost expected more from Rivera...

Two things that I can't get out of my head...


1. When did police officers become adjudicators of law by proxy?   I learned in school that they could make determinations of probable cause when making arrest, but deciding guilt or innocence is usually left for a judge or jury...

2. In the debate over self defense, how does a reasonable person have difficulty in distinguishing two concepts as polar opposite as "retreat" and "pursuit"?


I have three sons, the oldest isn't even kindergarten.  A small part of me hoped that maybe, just maybe, I could send at least one of them out into the world without having to give them "the talk" my dad gave me:  
1. Always carry your photo ID on your person.
2. Never walk out of a store with anything in your hand.
3. Take your hands out of your pockets when walking by law enforcement.
4. Keep your hands on the wheel if you get stopped while driving.. turn on all interior lights... don't raise your voice at the officer
5. Don't get into any cars or go to any place where you are the only black person in sight, and don't go anywhere that you can't control when, where, how you get home.
6. Know that being "in" the group will never make you "of" the group. Never think they will pick you over one of their own.  
7. Always use the King's English in public. It's OK for them to use slang around you. It's never OK for you to use slang around them.


My parent's grew up in a world without a civil rights bill. They were the first to integrate the public schools in rural Virginia in a time when counties actually closed the schools rather than obey the tenets of Brown v. Board of Education.   Here we are, some 60 years later, and as pundits debate the merits of living in a post-racial world, I wonder if any of them still wrestle with the responsibility of explaining to their sons the dichotomy of how the world should work, with how the world really works...

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2012, 08:33:11 AM »
It Is All About Y'all

http://ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com/2012/03/it-is-all-about-yall.html




Such an emotional and unfettered essay. :(
You're like... all over the place.

Here's the thing, ravingblacklunatic...

From what we all understand, Black americans are expendable. Hell, most Americans are expendable. I don't mind that self destructive Blacks are killing each other off nor do I mind that non-Blacks are killing self destructive Blacks off, either. What bothers me is that the Black knuckleheads who deserve to be cut down in cold blood aren't getting 'murked' and the innocent Blacks who don't desrve to die, get cut down in the most worst and ironic way.
Hence, The Problem.
The problem concerning the outrage of Trayvon Martin seems to be the obvious: Why hasn't the known suspect been arrested? 
Because that fact hasn't happened, raises too many ambiguous questions. Questions people aren't comfortable answering.
If Mr. Zimmerman had been taken into custody, I'd wager, that you wouldn't even see a single bonfire in tribute for this kid like what we have seen in the last week or so...         



...yet.

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2012, 08:37:02 AM »
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1. When did police officers become adjudicators of law by proxy? --- Moor



This is a good question.
Around my way, the common people think police officers are The Law, meaning Judge, Jury and Executioner.  They don't realize or know that police officers are security volunteers, enforcers of laws.

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2012, 09:04:54 AM »
Who thinks Zimmerman is arrested by the end of the week?

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2012, 09:40:22 AM »
Not me. It'd be nice, but I have no faith at all in the State of Florida, regardless of how many angry people there are all over the country.

In the end, I'm sure they will cave in to the wh - I mean - right wing, who is so desperately trying to dig up what dirt they can on Trayvon Martin.


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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 10:34:27 AM »
Geraldo is just so damn dumb. The law might excuse Zimmerman but life won't.

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 10:58:11 AM »

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2012, 11:08:18 AM »
Geraldo is just so damn dumb. The law might excuse Zimmerman but life won't.


Nope.. pretty sure neither law or life are to blame here... just ignorant old mankind.   :-[

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 09:21:53 PM »


They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds.

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2012, 05:06:51 AM »
I received 'the talk' from various brothers during my upbringing. The day my son was born I realized I would have to pass that wisdom onto him. When he went off to college he did not heed it and ended up in a situation that forced him to leave school despite his obvious innocence and subsequent confirmation of it. It has taken him three years to get his life back on track. This is why this case is so personal to me and to my son.
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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2012, 05:23:19 AM »
This is the thing I cannot stand and I hate this. It isn't fair that as a man of color I have to "act" a certain way to please the majority. It is all a dayum lie. Yesterday while I was on my way to the bus I've seen 4 "suspicious" boys with the same profile. But guess what it was cold like sh*t about 45-50 degrees with a strong breeze.

It has come to the point of me wearing the f*ck I want to wear. (I already do this.)  I don't even care anymore. I'ma do me. If a person has a problem with the way I "act or present" myself. f*ck you and worry about your family first.




They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds.

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2012, 10:27:01 PM »
DAVID EVANS:

Reggie,
 
I have read (as you might have) that Trayvon Martin provoked the confrontation between him and Mr. George Zimmerman and was, therefore, partially responsible for its deadly consequences.
 
Blaming Trayvon Martin for his own death reminds me of an incident that occurred during the 1957 Little Rock, Arkansas Integration Crisis at Central High School.
 
After a racist thug had brutally beaten a black reporter, the reporter himself was arrested.  A disgusted white reporter who observed the gross miscarriage of justice, wrote something along these lines:  “I guess the unfortunate Negro, with cut lips and cracked teeth, was arrested for punching a man in the fist with his mouth.”
 
The French have an applicable saying about things changing, but remaining the same: Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
 
 
Best regards,
 
 
 
Dave

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2012, 12:23:55 PM »
WASHINGTON POST:

Repeal the Health Care Law???  Pul-Leeze!!!  We Should Repeal The ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law

By Eugene Robinson




The “Stand Your Ground” laws in Florida and other states should all be repealed. At best, they are redundant. At worst, as in the Trayvon Martin killing, they are nothing but a license to kill.

Police in Sanford, Fla., cited the statute as grounds for their decision not to file charges against Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman. Martin, 17, was strolling home from a convenience store, armed with an iced tea and a bag of Skittles, when Zimmerman — a neighborhood watch volunteer and wannabe police officer — spotted him and decided he looked suspicious.

Zimmerman, who is 28, happened to be armed with a handgun. He followed Martin, despite instructions from a 911 operator not to do so. They had an encounter that left Zimmerman suffering from minor injuries and Martin dead on the ground from a gunshot wound. While we don’t know exactly what happened, we know that Zimmerman initiated the contact by stalking a young man who had done nothing more sinister than walk down the street wearing a hooded sweatshirt.

Police decided to release Zimmerman without charges because of the Stand Your Ground law. The relevant part of the statute says that “a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked . . .    has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm.”

Zimmerman claimed self-defense, was given the benefit of the doubt required by law and released.  This was a shocking travesty, as we now know. The “person who [was] not engaged in an unlawful activity and who [was] attacked” was Martin. Under the Florida law, as I read it, he had every right to feel he was in “imminent peril of death or great bodily harm” from the stranger who was following him. He had every right to confront Zimmerman — to stand his ground — and even to use deadly force, if necessary, to defend himself.

Imagine that Martin, not Zimmerman, had been carrying a legal handgun — and that it was Zimmerman who ended up dead. The law should have compelled police to release Martin, a young African American in a hoodie, without charges.

Somehow, I doubt that would have happened.

The consensus view, which I’ve heard expressed by supporters of Stand Your Ground, is that police were wrong to extend the law’s self-defense immunity to Zimmerman so quickly without a more thorough investigation — and that, given what we have learned about Zimmerman’s pursuit of Martin, the law does not seem to apply.

But why does Florida, or any other state, need this statute?  State laws already allowed the use of deadly force in self-defense.  By making explicit that the person who feels threatened has no obligation to retreat, all the state Legislature accomplished was to lessen the odds that a hot-tempered confrontation would be allowed to cool down without violence.

The Florida law took effect in 2005. Five years later, the Tampa Bay Times said that reports of justifiable homicide across the state had tripled. The newspaper found cases in which the protection of Stand Your Ground had been invoked by persons who felt — perhaps with good reason, perhaps not — that they faced imminent attack in their homes.
Those incidents were at least in keeping with the intent of the legislation. But the newspaper also found the law being used to excuse violence committed during fights at house parties, disputes between neighbors and disagreements in public parks.

“Gangsters are using this law to have gunfights,” Tallahassee state’s attorney Willie Meggs told the Times.

Following Florida’s lead, about 20 states have enacted similar legislation. I doubt you will be surprised to hear that the National Rifle Association has lobbied hard to get these dangerous and unnecessary statutes approved.

These laws encourage hotheads to go into potential confrontations with loaded firearms. They give permission to shoot first and ask questions later. This may be good for gun manufacturers, funeral homes and the NRA, but it’s tragic for justice in America.

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Re: Trayvon Martin and Truth About America
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2012, 08:04:47 PM »
interesting new take--