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« Reply #180 on: January 13, 2013, 06:39:08 am »
I am a 55 yr old Caucasian raised in a Jewish home .. married 20 yrs to Tommy a 60 yr old guy who has combined blood - Mexican paternal Greek maternal .. as of age 8 Tommy was raised by African American preacher Father Divine in Pennsylvania .. between the 2 of us we cover alot of stuff ..

We finally were able to see DJANGO and we both thoroughly enjoyed & appreciated it ..  sure there is lots to be discussed, and thats what good movies are all about after all ..

Congratulations and big bravo to those who worked together to make this film ..

Sincerely, Lori Garcia

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« Reply #181 on: January 13, 2013, 08:18:35 am »
Yes, welcome Lori!

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« Reply #182 on: January 13, 2013, 08:20:49 am »
Thank you Emperorjones (& as I was getting ready to post) Thank you Reggie ..

I am a reader/lurker than a poster.  I enjoy reading others comments about subjects that interest me.

Tanksleyd - bringing up FDivine's name is very natural to me - he is a little discussed character of history - my interpretations from 20yrs of research of FD ead me to have an overall positive vs negative opinion.  His death Sept 11, 1965 resulted in a dramatic altering of his plan/s for the future of his movement - His was forward thinking and sought to unite people of all races, religions and social statuses.

I applaud those who had the ability/determination/fortitude to bring DJANGO to fruition.  I don't imagine it was an easy road.

I think it necessary people of all ages be made aware - painfully so if required - and my reason to support poetic license  - of what history is.  Movies are an important, sometimes only and often ideal avenue for that education.

I hope President Obama's long term effects include kindness emulation ... I believe that kindness is contagious and encourage those I encounter to pass it on.

If I were a voting member of SAG I would cast my vote for DJANGO!
Peace, LGarcia



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« Reply #183 on: January 13, 2013, 08:24:11 am »
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Interesting that you would bring up White House diversity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/does-obama-have-a-diversity-problem_n_2447586.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/charlie-rangel-hits-obama-on-diversity-86005.html






Looking for a contradiction?
From discussions I've read and overheard, President Obama does not have a diversity problem.

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« Reply #184 on: January 13, 2013, 09:04:32 am »
^^^^^

More women in Congress and the Supreme Court
Blacks in total theorectical control of national law enforcement.
ala...Benghazi is a scandal??????

Such accusations are proof that at any time we can return to the ugly reality of Anne Frank.

Django could be so symbolic of all we dare not say.

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« Reply #185 on: January 13, 2013, 09:38:14 am »
>>>Tanksleyd



Can you be more specific about how (and what) Anne Frank has to do with 'Django'?   

,,,or even the complaints about President Obama's Cabinet choices...?

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« Reply #186 on: January 13, 2013, 10:00:16 am »
^^^^^^^^

As we search out and hunt down Trayvon Martin we ignore the growing reality of Adam Lanza.

As we search out reasons to belittle the ultimate representative of Black America (Obama) we create even more reasons to hunt out Trayvon Martin.

Cabinet choices?????? President Obama has literally lead a redefinition of diversity which is clear in all levels of society. Still he is under attack for being worthless....much as Clinton, known as the first Black president, was during his administration.

Since the final compromise of 1787, our bloodiest war, and the fact that the geographical core of opposition to Roosevelt's Socialist vision is from the old south, Race has been a driving force in American politics. And as proven by the Jews of 1930's Europe, who were known to be rich AND smart, at any time a forceful minority can come and kill our children be they named Trayvon Martin or Anne Frank. A minority that can be as crazy as Adam Lanza, The Brown Shirts or The Tea Party.

Django, and perhaps Quarentino himself, shows how violent...our bloodiest war can truly be.

Perhaps there is more to discuss.

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« Reply #187 on: January 13, 2013, 12:07:25 pm »
Perhaps there is more to discuss.




Thanks for the reply!

Definetly. :)

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« Reply #188 on: January 13, 2013, 06:43:26 pm »


  Quentin Tarantino wins the Golden Globe for Original Screenplay.

    I believe he will take home the Oscar as well.

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« Reply #189 on: January 13, 2013, 07:30:59 pm »

  Christoph Waltz wins the Golden Globe for Supporting Actor.

  He may win the Oscar as well.

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« Reply #190 on: January 14, 2013, 02:16:27 pm »
^^^^^^^^

As we search out and hunt down Trayvon Martin we ignore the growing reality of Adam Lanza.

As we search out reasons to belittle the ultimate representative of Black America (Obama) we create even more reasons to hunt out Trayvon Martin.

Cabinet choices?????? President Obama has literally lead a redefinition of diversity which is clear in all levels of society. Still he is under attack for being worthless....much as Clinton, known as the first Black president, was during his administration.

Since the final compromise of 1787, our bloodiest war, and the fact that the geographical core of opposition to Roosevelt's Socialist vision is from the old south, Race has been a driving force in American politics. And as proven by the Jews of 1930's Europe, who were known to be rich AND smart, at any time a forceful minority can come and kill our children be they named Trayvon Martin or Anne Frank. A minority that can be as crazy as Adam Lanza, The Brown Shirts or The Tea Party.

Django, and perhaps Quarentino himself, shows how violent...our bloodiest war can truly be.

Perhaps there is more to discuss.

I'm sorry I don't see Obama as the ultimate representative of black America. I think we have got to stop giving Obama a pass on a lot of things. On one hand we say that he is the ultimate representative, the heir of MLK and the fulfillment of The Dream. Then many of these same people will slap down any criticism on Obama's record on black unemployment, education rates, mass incarceration, his aversion to racial issues, by saying he's the president of 'all America' and he's not a 'black' president. Or that he's just a politician. Which is it going to be? Is he MLK Junior Jr. or is he just another politician?

I could personally care less about this cabinet issue because what's the difference between having a black person towing the same line as a white one would in his administration. Sure it adds some color, but it doesn't change policy in any fundamental way. Like, Condi being Secretary of State. Sure, it was great for the history books, but beyond that, what did it really mean or do? How much influence did she really have?

However I do think critics shouldn't be dismissed because Cabinet appointments have long been a way to reward the coalitions that put you in office and to symbolize racial, gender progress.  It is telling that many of the major decision-making roles in the Obama White House are run  by white men, when the multiracial, multi-gender coalition that put him in office is not being reflected in the power positions. So, his Cabinet is starting to look like the cabinet of Bush II and Clinton, a reversion, not a step forward.

To me, Obama is a largely conventional politician who is acting in conventional ways. It's just his skin color and his charisma, and his great ability to describe, if not always bring forth, the better angels of our nature, that have so many black folks and progressives hearts fluttering.

I don't think Obama's elevation has led to a redefinition in any fundamental way. He is one 'exceptional Negro' who has become president, and one of the prices of doing so is to be quiet about racial issues, to go along to get along. Sure, in a surface way it is a big diversity point, but when it comes to the black masses, how much of their lives have fundamentally changed under Obama and for the better? I just refuse to believe the hype until I see the results from the supposed Great Dreamer II.

Further I don't think it's hard to find reasons to disagree with the President or to criticism him. Similar to the other Presidents, you look at what he said he's going to do and what he's done and see the discrepancies and then try to figure out why that's so. Was it outside opposition, a lack of will or vision, change in priorities, deception, or what have you, that is the cause?
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« Reply #191 on: January 14, 2013, 05:47:58 pm »
^^^^^^

George Washington didn't chop down no Cherry Tree. Nor did John Wayne cut them off at the pass.
For me President Obama is the, a,  epitome of Black America. Much as was once true of Dorie Armstrong and Joe Louis. Besides in all these 500 years who has spoken more eloquently than Rodney King...."Can't we all just get along...".

There is a certain truth that he passed a national health plan where others have failed and with his two picks on the Supreme Court his legacy is already promised.

In fact I am excited by President Obama's current pick for Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, who does not believe in the traditional beliefs that have U.S. in a traditional rut.

Yes, I do think that President Barack Hussein Obama is all that and a bag of potato chips too.

Besides, the alternative is Django...which do you prefer?

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« Reply #192 on: January 14, 2013, 06:30:49 pm »
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That's a false choice, a term Obama likes to use from time to time. Hey, Obama is your thing and that's cool. I feel differently. I think he is a nice guy, a good family man, and a good politician. He has a good legislative record despite dealing with a hostile Congress. Now I mean good in terms of getting legislation passed, not that all that he has passed has been good in terms of content. Some has, some hasn't, IMO.

However does all his political maneuvering have put black Americans in a stronger place than they were in 2008, I don't think so. I think that we are still in a precarious position. Now one can say, and rightly so, that that isn't all the fault or within the responsibility of Obama or any president. But with what is within his purview, I have so far not been too impressed. Thus far I think he is overrated by many blacks because he represents the ultimate insider, the greatest key to white validation and acceptance and many of us live vicariously through him, or that is what we are encouraged to do or believe, IMO, like the Obama Effect the media gushed about early in his presidency.

I'm holding out to see what the healthcare plan will ultimately do, I'm not cool with the idea of mandates right off the bat. And I wonder if the healthcare 'gains' will be undercut by entitlement reform. If Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits are cut how are we going to pay for that mandated healthcare?

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« Reply #193 on: January 15, 2013, 12:33:36 am »

I'm holding out to see what the healthcare plan will ultimately do, I'm not cool with the idea of mandates right off the bat. And I wonder if the healthcare 'gains' will be undercut by entitlement reform. If Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits are cut how are we going to pay for that mandated healthcare?
Cut funding in the military, war on drugs, war on terror, department of homeland security, military industrial complex, overpopulation of prisons. Pipe dream unfortunately.
With these choices, I felt that the American black man only needed to choose which one to get eaten by; the liberal fox or the conservative wolf because both of them will eat him.

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« Reply #194 on: January 15, 2013, 06:28:21 am »

I'm holding out to see what the healthcare plan will ultimately do, I'm not cool with the idea of mandates right off the bat. And I wonder if the healthcare 'gains' will be undercut by entitlement reform. If Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits are cut how are we going to pay for that mandated healthcare?
Cut funding in the military, war on drugs, war on terror, department of homeland security, military industrial complex, overpopulation of prisons. Pipe dream unfortunately.





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