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Offline KIP LEWIS

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Problem with a shared universe
« on: April 29, 2012, 08:44:20 AM »
Stories like a Avengers Vs X-men show why a shared universe plays havoc with Black Panther.  It is more than BP being relegated to a cameo. 

One of the things Priest established is BP always has a plan.  So, when a known threat like Phoenix Force coming to earth happens, where is his plan?  When Avengers need to take down the X-men, where is his plan? 

The problem is, it doesn't fit the storyline for BP to have a pre-made plan.  The writers have another story in mind so at best they ignore this characteristic about BP or at worse, they make his plans fail.

So, this is the problem with a shared universe.

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Re: Problem with a shared universe
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 03:39:45 PM »
Hey Kip!  I see your point, but I'm not sure I agree completely.  I think the problem has more to do with the regard in which Marvel/the creators of a shared universe story hold BP.  I could envision working into the story that part of T'Challa's plan was to stay close enough to the key players to subtly influence his desired outcome while the lion's share of the fighting and enemy's focus was on the, so to speak heavy hitters.  All the while, a cunning and strategic genius worthy of consideration as "The Most Dangerous Man Alive" could have actually orchestrated or at least facilitated the inevitable victory.  In my opinion, this should have been the role BP played in global cataclysms such as, "World War Hulk" and "Fear Itself."  That however would be giving T'Challa a lot of cred as a "major player" in the Marvel Universe.  Despite a professed desire to do so, Marvel has lacked either the vision or the desire to go there.   

We should not dismiss "Doom War" which was actually close, perhaps just a few beats away from establishing T'Challa as that major Marvel U player.  In my view, they pulled back a bit too much, not allowing T'Challa to shine enough and establish credibility by recouping his honor with a few visceral, logically satisfying, superhero feats.  I totally dig the fact that he invented "Shadow Physics," but at the end of the day it is a comic book.  You can't make a successful "action" film by having the hero talk the bad guys into submission or create some trap that can't be adequately conceptualized in a visual medium.  Doom and the Desturi, apart from threatening the world, stomped on his country and locked him out while they killed his uncle, abducted and threatened his wife and mother.  That's worth a serious beat-down any day of the week.  Likely, they held back in deference to Doom's rep and fan following.  And that's the real problem for T'Challa/BP.

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Re: Problem with a shared universe
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 10:01:05 AM »
Personally, I've always felt X-men should have been in its own universe, away from the rest of the Marvelverse. Technically, every super hero pretty much is a mutant in their own right. Spidy, Daredevil... the FF. They just weren't born with their powers. The whole social issue X-men dependant on to deliver doesn't set to well with the rest of their "shared" marvelverse.

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Re: Problem with a shared universe
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 12:13:27 PM »
Personally, I've always felt X-men should have been in its own universe, away from the rest of the Marvelverse. Technically, every super hero pretty much is a mutant in their own right. Spidy, Daredevil... the FF. They just weren't born with their powers. The whole social issue X-men dependant on to deliver doesn't set to well with the rest of their "shared" marvelverse.

The problem isn't that the universe is shared its that so many writers don't want to play nice with the other kids toys. The shared universe wasn't a problem for Marvel when Shooter was running the show and Gruenwald was his right hand.

If the average mutant is freakish looking with crappy powers (like Morisson's Beak or the Morlocks) that would go a long way to justify the fear and hatred of Mutants.

Guys like Thing have both a lifetime of good deeds and the (one assumes) Fantastic Four's P.R. machine working in his favor. If you are Artie and Leech you are just broke and freakish looking.

This slight downside of this idea is that would create a class/caste system within the Mutants: the ones with useful powers and the ones without (Magneto v. Toad) and the one who could still pass for human and the ones that can't (Jean Grey v Nightcrawler).

Marvel really doesn't want to take this idea to its logical conclusion. I mean it MUST have occured to them.

The Wild Cards novels beat this drum all the time.

The sexy chick with Wings isn't considered a freak because she is a sexy chick but in clinical terms she is as physically deformed as the Gargolyle like bruiser who has super strength.


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Re: Problem with a shared universe
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 03:10:46 PM »
The problem isn't that the universe is shared its that so many writers don't want to play nice with the other kids toys. The shared universe wasn't a problem for Marvel when Shooter was running the show and Gruenwald was his right hand.





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Re: Problem with a shared universe
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 09:54:42 AM »
Man, Dwayne covered this years ago, and I still think he offers the best solution.

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Re: Problem with a shared universe
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2012, 03:21:17 PM »
For me, I see one of the problems of a shared universe, in this instance, as there being too many other people, more popular characters, doing what T'Challa can do, or what Marvel probably thinks he can do. With Tony Stark and Captain America is there really a need to have a big role for T'Challa in AvX? Unless he has a cheerleader like Bendis has been for Luke Cage, pushing T'Challa behind the scenes?

Personally I would love to see him play a bigger role. I mean, his marriage to Storm can provide an emotional punch to the AvX storyline in a way that few others can, because the division could become so personal. But I doubt the Marvel writers are even contemplating allowing T'Challa to play a big role. He's too important or noticeable not to play a part, but at the same time, I don't think they have any real plans to fully use him.