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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2012, 09:51:58 pm »
Out of interest, has anyone said they'd be OK with having civil / legal marriages for same-sex couples, and let religious organisations make up their own minds?

that's how it should be. if a group of christians feel gay marriage is fine, if the law allows it, you'd just see  more splinters off the main line.

we have all sorts of christians now so it wouldn't be much trouble to have a few more sects.

frankly it's  time a good many people grew up.
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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2012, 07:36:48 pm »
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2012, 10:21:46 pm »
Nope, not this one.


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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2012, 06:26:18 am »
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.
If he loses the election based off this then this country is more backwards than I thought.
With these choices, I felt that the American black man only needed to choose which one to get eaten by; the liberal fox or the conservative wolf because both of them will eat him.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2012, 09:57:41 am »
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.
If he loses the election based off this then this country is more backwards than I thought.
I think it's the other way around it may win him the election.
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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2012, 11:33:31 am »
I think Jay Z's endorsement points out the generational difference in the response within the black community. 


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*Count Jay-Z among the celebrities backing President Obama for his support of gay marriage.

“I’ve always thought it as something that was still holding the country back,” the rapper told CNN, referring to bans on same-sex marriage. “What people do in their own homes is their business and you can choose to love whoever you love. That’s their business. [It] is no different than discriminating against blacks. It’s discrimination plain and simple.”

One of the president’s most skeptical constituencies, in fact, is the African American community, as many of its religious leaders are skeptical of gay marriage; ABC News reported on Monday that Obama reached out to many of the top pastors to explain himself on the issue, with many calling themselves “conflicted.”

For his part, Jay-Z shrugged off the potential loss of support — not because he didn’t believe it would happen, but because he said that backing gay marriage was more important than winning votes.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2012, 01:03:03 pm »

For his part, Jay-Z shrugged off the potential loss of support — not because he didn’t believe it would happen, but because he said that backing gay marriage was more important than winning votes.
It is almost like the same thing Kennedy did where he had to "explain himself" to the religous leaders http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
With these choices, I felt that the American black man only needed to choose which one to get eaten by; the liberal fox or the conservative wolf because both of them will eat him.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2012, 02:17:05 pm »

For his part, Jay-Z shrugged off the potential loss of support — not because he didn’t believe it would happen, but because he said that backing gay marriage was more important than winning votes.
It is almost like the same thing Kennedy did where he had to "explain himself" to the religous leaders http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
Yes, the difference is having to explain to people why church and state have always been separate.

I wonder how many of these black ministers are paid under the table by white conservatives.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2012, 02:34:43 pm »
WHAT? No. The hell you say.
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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2012, 02:39:20 pm »
I think what he said was courageous but stupid and he just lost the election.
If he loses the election based off this then this country is more backwards than I thought.
I think it's the other way around it may win him the election.

All I know is I'm one of the 39% of North Carolinians that voted a week ago in vain, and Romney -for the first time- has the lead in the latest polls.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2012, 02:50:17 pm »
I wonder how many of these black ministers are paid under the table by white conservatives.
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Many of them are just as bad as their white counterparts among the "leaders"
With these choices, I felt that the American black man only needed to choose which one to get eaten by; the liberal fox or the conservative wolf because both of them will eat him.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2012, 04:15:29 pm »
One of the president’s most skeptical constituencies, in fact, is the African American community, as many of its religious leaders are skeptical of gay marriage; ABC News reported on Monday that Obama reached out to many of the top pastors to explain himself on the issue, with many calling themselves “conflicted.”

The same 'top pastors" who were backing Hillary in the last election until they saw how the wind was blowing?

The only reason that many of these S.O.B's have any credibility at all is because folks weren't paying attention in the first place.

If the Black religious are actually dumb enough to let an issue that has no effect on them in any way sway thier support in an election between Obama and Mitt Romney for God's sake, they richly deserve the ass reaming that 4 years of President Romney will give them.


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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2012, 05:10:16 pm »
WASHINGTON POST:

Posted at 07:02 AM ET, 05/15/2012
Voters split on Obama's gay marriage announcement
By Jon Cohen
Voters divide straight down the middle on President Obama’s recent statement that he supports allowing gays and lesbians to get married, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

As with the issue itself, views of the president’s major announcement last week are closely related to partisanship, education and age, with Democrats, more highly educated and younger adults generally supportive of Obama’s move. But there also a twist to the latest breakdowns: although African Americans typically oppose gay marriage, most in the new poll have favorable impressions of Obama’s support of it.


Overall, voters split 46 percent in favor of the move, and 46 percent opposed to it. Intensity runs marginally against the president’s statement supporting legal gay marriage. White Protestants are the most stridently opposed.

Fully 70 percent of Democrats express favorable opinions of the Democratic president’s move, as do 49 percent of independents (43 percent hold unfavorable ones). Republicans are lined up on the other side, with 76 percent holding unfavorable views, including 65 percent “strongly unfavorable” impressions.

Age is a similarly big divider, with more than six in 10 adults under 30 years old supportive of the president’s announcement, and a similar proportion of seniors opposed to it.

More than half of all African Americans in the poll back the president’s statement: 54 percent have favorable impressions; 37 percent unfavorable ones. The sample size of black respondents is relatively small in this poll (results have a more than 10-point error margin), but the results are an intriguing contrast to where African-American opinion has been on the subject of gay marriage.

In a large-scale Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll in November, 58 percent of African Americans called same-sex marriage “unacceptable;” far fewer, 35 percent said it was “acceptable” in terms of their own values and morals.

Nearly two-thirds of those who live in states that have legalized gay marriage have positive views of Obama’s statement; in the 31 states where the practice is banned by voter preference, it’s a more even 41 percent in favor, 51 percent opposed.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2012, 05:25:03 am »
Pastor David manning is going to have a field day with this. I bet his youtube page have a ton a of views now.
With these choices, I felt that the American black man only needed to choose which one to get eaten by; the liberal fox or the conservative wolf because both of them will eat him.

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Re: Will Black Voters Punish Obama for His Support of Gay Rights?
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2012, 07:54:04 am »
Hm.
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Reviewing history, 100 years ago women were considered chattel, could not vote and had no rights or entitlement to thier husband's estate upon death of that husband or divorce (women could not have an "estate" unless they were part of the ultra rich/priviledge). Fifty years ago, it was illegal for interracial couples to marry, let alone been seen in public. Today, none of this is true or even considered surprising.

Today, the far "Christian" right is up in arms about giving the same righta and priviledges to gay couples that heterosexual couples not only enjoy, but expect and benefit from.  One of the most outspoken defenders of the "sanctity" of marriage has been married three times.

He divorced his previous two wives while they were in precarious situations as if he was throwing out the trash. The current divorce rate is hovering around 50 percent so exactly how sanctified is this institution?

With about half of all the marriages ending in divorce, who has the right to deny this institution to anyone? How does it immediately affect you? You have the right to forbid it in your home but not anyone else's. It's none of your business.

As one comedian said after the first state passage of the right for gay people to marry: "Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?"



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